Article on Vancover after hours and raves (the Province)

Originally Posted by wishbone

im just hungry, tired, and disoriented. all i can do is watch cops on fox (i love how they air it at noon) and do financial analysis homework.

you need a fiscal intervention.

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

im thinking our belts would be comparable

I/we/you stopped calling them raves because the media and all the things associated with the word "rave" were very negative. point out a current flyer that has the word "rave" printed out it. see?

hahahaha oh man

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

im thinking our belts would be comparable

I/we/you stopped calling them raves because the media and all the things associated with the word "rave" were very negative. point out a current flyer that has the word "rave" printed out it. see?

the media didn't cause a name change, general shifts in the culture did.

THEY'RE DOING THE SAME STORIES BUT NOT CALLING THEM RAVES ANYMORE! YOU KNOW, LIKE THE STORY THAT WAS LINKED HERE MAINLY CALLING THEM AFTER HOURS.

SO!?!?!?!, WHAT'S IT ALL ABOUT, ALFIE?

The media didn't cause a change in name, otherwise they'd profile this as a rave, no? After all, that's their catch-phrase since exposing it no?

[GSG9]

imo the name change happened cause in general, people want to be fresh, new, and exciting. raves arent fresh, and certainly not new.
well i guess afterhours is not anything near new either... but still... rave is more-or-less a slang term, and slang rarely gets used for more than a decade.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by GSG9

imo the name change happened cause in general, people want to be fresh, new, and exciting. raves arent fresh, and certainly not new.
well i guess afterhours is not anything near new either... but still... rave is more-or-less a slang term, and slang rarely gets used for more than a decade.

sounds like a shift in the culture :noworry:

[Phrenetic]

is wishbone the authority on the culture?

[GSG9]

maybe, maybe not. regardless, hes right.

[dj outrayjus]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

You better still be in High School.

haha nope am 21 my parents are retardedly nieve and protective

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

is wishbone the authority on the culture?

just because i can correctly apply cause and effect doesn't mean I hold any authoritative power. :amuse:

[brit]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

im thinking our belts would be comparable

I/we/you stopped calling them raves because the media and all the things associated with the word "rave" were very negative. point out a current flyer that has the word "rave" printed out it. see?

everything you write makes me want to slap the shit out of you, and it's a real struggle within myself because im positive you mean well.

[meth0dical]

i still call them raves!

[Revolver]

ahhh so yeah, turns out i was at this party.

it was a fucking gross dungeon. i was only there cause my friends in axial(big up) were playing....

and i most certainlly know who the 'crazy bitch' startin shit is lol....

anyways we were fuckin happy that shit was busted up,axia finsihed their set. and we got to go back to ****'s house to play tigerwoods 08 on xbox360.

[DefJef]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Why must everybody claim that things were so much better back in the day all the time? I've been partying for nearly a decade, and do you want to know what's changed?

Sweet.
Fuck.
All.

The only thing that changes is your perception of the party. But really, that's all it is and that's all it's ever been: Just a party. And that's been happening since Roman times.

I concur 100%.

To add, I believe the change in perception is a result of growing up, and out of what was originally attractive about raves in the first place.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

is wishbone the authority on the culture?

No, but he's right.

The term "Rave" these days tends to be about the entire psychedelic experience - wafting from stage/room to stage/room little clumps of people with their hands in the air screaming at the DJ, dancing their asses off like complete morons, not caring what they look like, intense visual setups and designs.

In today's modern afterhours it's become a couple projectors, lights and a soundsystem. Also, so many of the venues that go on in the afterhours scene get re-used fairly often (there's about three around Main Street that I know are used quite a lot for all-night EDM shows) that you can generally go to these places any week and catch a show... kinda sounds like more of a club than a rave anyways, right?

We need another good indoor rave though. Lasers, smoke machines, stacks of television monitors with psychedelic CGI patterns on them, people of all different walks of life all gathered for a singular hallucinogenic experience... and motherfucking LA Style banging at 3am.

Yeah. Let's bring back the Fred Gets Cheeky parties.

[ebbomega]

Also, the names have always changed with the culture. At first it was clones of the warehouse and outdoor parties happening around San Fran and Toronto that they called "Raves". Then a bunch of second-generation kids started throwing their own parties and the "oldschool" ravers started to have disdain for calling them "Raves" and they just became "parties", and "ravers" became "partykids" - enter the "Jaded Raver".

Then the "Jaded Raver" became the big thing with the newb crowd, and "Fuck PLUR" replaced "PLUR". Eventually the "oldschool" ravers kind of became apathetic, so they just said "Fuck it, let's call these all-night dance parties raves.... why not? Everybody else seems to..."

In Vancouver though, there only ended up being a few (by a few I mean about 3 or 4) promotions teams that were still throwing the intense-psychedelic-experience underground parties that for a time was the essence of the debate "What's a rave?" (They used to be called "real raves" before everybody became pretentious about what a "real rave" was and they gave up on that as well). Most of the party people had moved on from the rave scene to the club scene - when I told a bunch of my party friends I was working at Apex this year most of them responded with "That's still happening?" With this shift came a lot of the push to the city to start extending club hours - 3am licenses came into play, and afterhours became a significant staple to the all-night party scene.

And now, about 4 years after that major shift, The Province picks up on it. Excellent reporting guys.

[NinjaBoy]

Sometimes when you ramble on and on it makes no sense.

But times like this you hit the nail right on the head.

[wishbone]

ebbomega knows his stuff. maybe he's a hardcore whistle posse pump it up type of 'real raver'. :P

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wishbone

ebbomega knows his stuff. maybe he's a hardcore whistle posse pump it up type of 'real raver'. :P

Ninjaboy was there when I was.

MCDSK 4EVA!

[Grapes]

Will you people stop saying gummy.

I mean raves.

[ebbomega]

STOP SAYING ZAZZ!

[prozac]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

im thinking our belts would be comparable

ROTFL :amuse:

[LastWerd]

Originally Posted by dj outrayjus

haha yeah, what kind of idiot goes to an illegal party (knowing its obviously illegal) and call the cops?

Like the cops said in the article one of the biggest problems with underground parties is the fact that people are usually too scared to call the cops if anything does go wrong because they know the party is illegal and most people attending are young and messed up; become scared. that sucks; it's scary.

The article was also stating that in 1999 when they legalized raves, there was a large decline in illegal parties. They should just make everything legal, or more things legal and then people wont do it as much or it will become more professional. I am not saying that the underground parties will just stop because really, who wants to license every party - most people aren't that responsible or have the cash to make the party legal; large fees come with that.

I don't know if I really believe them saying there were people sitting everywhere doing line after line, I never see that at a party. It's hidden for the most part.
Most people are 21+ as well

They said the cops came at 1:30, technically it is still legal to sell booze at that time, all you have to do is get a cheap ass license from any liquor store. It isn't that hard.

[wishbone]

^
a cheap ass license from any liquor store?

reaaaaaaally?

[wishbone]

lol

xxxxxxxxxxx says:
there's no such thing as an easy liquor license....LET ALONE WHAT THE FUCK GET ONE FROM THE LIQUOR STORE?
xxxxxxxxxxx says:
Let's see....i'll get some vodka........some rum....pack of colts.....ooh, and a license to sell all of this at an undisclosed premise, please.
yyyyyyyyy says:
i think she is confusing it with a fishing license
xxxxxxxxxx says:
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! IT'S PROBABLY TRUE!

^ that guy who's charging you $100 and giving you that license at the cold beer and wine store - did it not strike you funny that it was done in crayons?