Canucks Offseason Thread

[ebbomega]

Out of all the things that went wrong with the 'nucks this year, Luongo was in no way one of them.

Losing him now would absolutely destroy the team, lose ALL of the local morale and convince people to stop going to the arena.

Keep in mind that the owners are businesspeople FIRST AND FOREMOST. Losing Luongo at this point would end the Canucks franchise. It would be like dropping McLean in the years before we made our last failed cup run.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by inside

Not the best signing. Were going to have to go the trade route. Bye bye to one or two of the following players; Edler, Bieska,..... LUONGO

He aint that great, fuckin Wings won it all with Osgood. We need a better team in front of any NHL starting goalie. Go with the rookie Cory Schneider? Why not, the Canadiens put Price out the wolves. Didn't look very good in the playoffs, but had a great season. Bob Gainey sort of knows what he is doing.

I can't work with dumb shit like this.

[omega_image]

Anyone who thinks that trading Luongo is even an option (at this point) is out of their mind. Last season's numbers were totally skewed with the birth of his child and him being injured.

If the Canucks are in some serious trouble come X-mas, THEN a trade might be considered.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by inside

Not the best signing. Were going to have to go the trade route. Bye bye to one or two of the following players; Edler, Bieska,..... LUONGO

He aint that great, fuckin Wings won it all with Osgood. We need a better team in front of any NHL starting goalie. Go with the rookie Cory Schneider? Why not, the Canadiens put Price out the wolves. Didn't look very good in the playoffs, but had a great season. Bob Gainey sort of knows what he is doing.

No...

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by inside

LUONGO
He aint that great, fuckin Wings won it all with Osgood.

The fucking Wing won it all with Lidstrom, and we don't have or will ever get Lidstrom. The Flames won it with Mike Vernon too, but we ain't getting Al MacInnis in his prime neither. That and I think Luongo is that great. If the Penguins had him instead of "Big Rebounds" Fleury, they would have won easily.

[inside]

Originally Posted by Mangle

The fucking Wing won it all with Lidstrom, and we don't have or will ever get Lidstrom. The Flames won it with Mike Vernon too, but we ain't getting Al MacInnis in his prime neither. That and I think Luongo is that great. If the Penguins had him instead of "Big Rebounds" Fleury, they would have won easily.

We do have a great shutdown d man in Mitchelle, and some fire power in the top 4 d men. I think Vancouver has a pretty descent d when it's healthy, maybe even better then Detroit.... There is only one Lidstrom (he's still a gamebreaker though)

We are weak upfront big time. The Sedins are they best SECOND line in hockey, no doubt about it. We need a first line with a center who can score, playmake, and defend. We need a RW sniper that can score, and playmake. Last but not least, a LW power forward that can make some room out there and have some offensive talent. How do you go about getting a first line like that.... We tried to sign Sundin, and Gillies did the best he could do. Throw tons of money at him, and it didn't work ( I hate Sundin now!) We have Pyatt who could fill the role of the LW, but at age 26 he hasn't made that much noise, and I really doubt if he ever will. So that leves us with just the RW to fill if Sundin signs with us. Well we probly could trade Bieska, or Edler, or both to get a poper sniper. That's not so bad......

But what if we can't sign Sundin.... How the fuck are we supposed to fill center, and the rw on the first line....

WE ARE ALL CANUCKS...........

[littlejon]

cheery optimism for the upcoming season

When Mike Gillis was announced as the new general manager, he said his goal was to make the Canucks a winner right away and he would build the team in that direction. But, two months later, as virtually every other team in the West has improved themselves significantly, he's lost Naslund; is about to lose Brendan Morrison; he's added three insignificant fourth-liners; and he waits helplessly as the enigmatic Sundin decides if he'll play in Vancouver for $20 million.
I mean, if the most virulent Canucks hater would have plotted the team's downfall, it's doubtful he could have come up with everything that's happened. This team is now on the precipice of disaster and the only thing that can save them -- failing a change of Sundin's heart -- is a superhuman season from Roberto Luongo and/or a masterful coaching job from Alain Vigneault and that means another seven months of 2-1 games.
But this is going way beyond personal feelings. This is about the future of the franchise and, right now, that future isn't very bright. At the end of the regular season, it was clear to anyone who'd seen the Canucks play for five minutes that the team was decent but they needed to upgrade their forwards.
Naslund's abdication to the Rangers sends the worst kind of message to Canucks fans about the Gillis administration. Granted, the captain didn't represent the best option but he was a loyal Canuck, a former Gillis client and when coupled with Sundin, he was still a tantalizing alternative.
zx v"The Rangers are going in the right direction and I want to be a part of that," Naslund explained.
He didn't say what direction the Canucks are headed.

Ed Willes, sayin' it like it is!
:love:

at least they're in the running for Tavares.....

[inside]

Originally Posted by Senior

the problem is that the nucks aren't going to be horrible this season, they might even squeek in the playoffs, which will get us a 16th-8th place pick in next years first round of the draft. and if you guys think the kitchen was bare for this years free agency next year is even worse.

time for Gillis to make some trades!

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The thing is with trades, all the other GMs know how fucked we are and have us by the balls. Like I said I think Luongo might go.

[inside]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Out of all the things that went wrong with the 'nucks this year, Luongo was in no way one of them.

Losing him now would absolutely destroy the team, lose ALL of the local morale and convince people to stop going to the arena.

Keep in mind that the owners are businesspeople FIRST AND FOREMOST. Losing Luongo at this point would end the Canucks franchise. It would be like dropping McLean in the years before we made our last failed cup run.

McLean is no Luongo. Remeber we had Ronning, Geoff Cortnal, Trevor Linden, Peter Nedved, Lumme, Gus Adams, Doug Lidster, Dixon Ward, PAVEL BURE!!! That's a couple first lines, the defence had some holes, and McLean was great during that run to the cup. The 92-93 team had a better record, and we all know the magic of 93-94. My point being; we won on fire power, not goaltending. The runs goalies can have in the playoffs can happen to any team, any goalie that's a starter. It would be nice to have a Brodeur/Luongo because you know your solid back there, but it won't win a championship. The play infront of the goalie is what counts.

Get the first line sorted, and they will win even with a rookie goalie!

[inside]

Originally Posted by Senior

Dan Cloutier

ah crap... Lidstrom ended his career! 50 footer what!

Some goalies crack when it come to the second season. His regular season stats from 01-02 till 03-04 are pretty good. The Canucks at least made the playoffs then. The West Coast express era was one of the best in Canuck history. Oh wait that's that first line thing again.

[Pennywise]

Short and sweet, The Canucks are fucked.

[ebbomega]

The Canucks dropping Luongo now would be akin to Microsoft dropping XBox Live - yeah, they could do it, but they'd basically be shooting themselves in the foot by getting rid of the only thing they have going for them.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Pennywise

Short and sweet, The Canucks are fucked.

short and sweet, you're an idiot.

You have a team that is 2 players away from having 4 good lines, has great defence, and the best goaltender in the league.

to find those two players you have 18 million dollars in cap room and a few very good defencemen to trade. you also have a second round pick in 2009 if you wanted to start doing up offer sheets. you could also get more players through free agency, which still has a lot of skilled forwards. you have 2 months.

[littlejon]

Originally Posted by rawb

You have a team that is 2 players away from having 4 good lines, has great defence, and the best goaltender in the league.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


wow.

[omega_image]

^Did I miss something? Rawb's assessment is pretty much bang on. Add a first line (2 players) and we have 4 lines that could stack up with the best of them.

Our 2nd (Sedins) and 3rd line are arguably the best in the league (with exception of maybe Detroit now).

[inside]

Originally Posted by omega_image

^Did I miss something? Rawb's assessment is pretty much bang on. Add a first line (2 players) and we have 4 lines that could stack up with the best of them.

Our 2nd (Sedins) and 3rd line are arguably the best in the league (with exception of maybe Detroit now).

i agree. Let's just hope we can sign Sundin, and trade a defenceman or two, or a defenceman and Cory Schneider for a sniper.

The only thing is if we don't sign Sundin we might be a bit rough.

[b0ld]

I highly doubt that sundin will ever play in the western conference.

[rawb]

Really? I think a healthy morrison + naslund combo currently could only put up ~100 points unless paired with a stud. Anyways, Morrison only can contribute while healthy, and 130 points is worse than Sedins pull out in a season with a monkey playing finisher. Naslund put up 2nd line numbers last year and he has completely lost his shot. I mean from last year we have only lost ~80 points total if we see those two go. I think between our cap room and our 3rd line we can make up the difference. It would be great to finally have a team that isn't paraplegic after you key on one set of players.

Anyways i'm not planning a parade route or anything i'm just offering a counter-example to the general OMG CANUCKS SUCK NOW yip that seems to be prevalent here. I mean, the season starts so far away and moves and signings will happen every day before then. To try to call it now is moronic. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but to me sounding the DOOM ALARM before we take to the ice ever is just classic Vancouver fans shit talk.


PS COMPLETELY OFFTOPIC am i the only person hoping to see ryan shannon in a canucks sweater the entire year this year? Dude's a 3rd liner right now but he's fast and smart, although small in stature. 13 points in 27 games last year!

[rawb]

ps: morrison just signed with the ducks like 30 mins ago.

[omega_image]

^Shannon has 1st line potential. Also, I'd like to see Raymond on the 3rd/4th line.

If Gillis were to package Edler+ for a true 1st Line Center/Winger I think a lot of other pieces would start falling into place.`

[Mangle]

Raymond's got some good upside. The 'Nucks are full of second line prospects in their early to mid-20s. As has been alluded to, however, we need a bonifide 1st line.

[Ryan Ross]

Rumor mill anyone?

How about Demitra signing tomorrow with the Canucks?

"9:30PM UPDATE: According to a source, the Vancouver Canucks and UFA forward Pavol Demitra are closing in on a multi-year deal. One source indicated the two sides may have verbally agreed to a deal but we are still awaiting further confirmation. Any deal won't be announced until tomorrow."

nhlline.ca

Wouldnt put us in a bad place, and if we pulled him in then the prospect for getting Sundin would look a little better as well.

Love the off season!

Gotta say that at least there are some big changes going on. I love Naslund an Mo, but I think a change in location is best for both sides.

[cinist]

^
sick



i'm stoked to see matt cooke in a pens uniform

[NinjaBoy]

We need my NHLPA 94 team.

I took the cup easy that year.

[ebbomega]

Yeah, against the computer with the offsides off.