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You are correct in saying that "raves" are more commercialized here but that still doesn't excuse what goes on. These parties are thrown to make a profit. I don't think there is ANY promoter in town that will throw a party to lose money regardless if it is a large or small event
If you are a kid that has disposable income and picks up a flyer and decides to go you can't blame anyone for that. You can blame the same person for taking a substance and overdosing at the party since it was all within their control. People say the barstars are ruining the scene, other say the asian are, other say the new stupid kids that are too young to be there. Well everyone is wrong because everyone that decided to walk through the entrance has decided they will go to the event. What happens afterwards is completely in their control and as you said "everyone has their opinion". I'm just saying take some big steps back and see what is going on with everything all at once before saying that it is only one slice of the picture that is at fault. 
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Apr 23, 03
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tease you're hot!
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Apr 23, 03
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I think everyone is really skewing the original statement that was made by Tease. This concept isn't really hard to understand.....
Parties that are held at the Plaza are more fervently marketed than smaller, more underground type parties. That's a fact. These giant media machine parties are flyered like crazy at schools, stores, etc... where the target age is 13 - 17. Not once did Tease dispute whether or not it was a choice of the person to either attend the party or ingest the chemicals. What she was trying to say, IMHO, is that if it weren't for GIANT parties at the Plaza the 'scene' would be lesser known and there wouldn't be as many young kids showing up. It's a simple matter of numbers. Less people, less od's. We all know how to add and subtract so figure it out. For a kid who has never been to a party the appeal for a dirty venue underground party isn't as high as this shiny glass building with a thousand people!!! I really don't get why y'all are pretty much trying to rip her a new asshole for stating an opinion. The Plaza does NOT make people do drugs... it simply provides a more massive scale for it to happen. More people, more chances of drug use etc.... Ok now.... everybody breathe..... can we all hug now? This E is making me wanna give someone a rub down.... 
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Apr 23, 03
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I hate to blame the boys in blue but i think the police on duty induced the seizures. Imagine being whacked out of your mind and suddenly being swarmed by police who are staring into your soul about to confess to your parents you're on "e" when you’re really supposed to be at Jens house having a sleepover far, far away from anything that resembles a rave. Don't you think you're heart is going to beat a little faster now that you've just admitted to taking ecstacy, you're at a rave you shouldn't be at and you're not sure where your very own sister is all while under the microscope of 2-4 officers who are about to unload all this information into the minds of two unknowing parents early Sunday morning? If that isn't a recipe for a heart attack what is? Anyways, Get better kid and next time where shades...ya rookie :y: Pure PVD fORM
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Apr 23, 03
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typical fnk shit "plaza=so good" 14yrolds + drugs= so good, i'm not a hypocrite I KNOW if i started partying at 14 as opposed to 19 i'd either be a complete e-tard(i mean really stupid, not like funny stupid) dropped outta high school, and god knows what else.
apparently this stupid ass retarded raver did 4 caps, a few lines, and some ghb. FUCK LET HER DIE. AND ALL HER STUPID FRIENDS. am i the only one here that see's a problem with that? let's face it, it's like the cigarette companies saying, "well that ad is designed for adults" even if the ad has a cartoon on it, and it's close to a school. it's not our fault the kids buy our cigarettes. wake up, and stop lying to yourselves. or better yet, maybe YOU will get the call "hey jon, it's me sarah, you know your sister jenny's friend...come down to van gen, i think jenny's gonna die" W00T W00T GO PLAZA GO
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Apr 23, 03
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Now everyone shouldn't fuckin gang up on tease here. She's got a fucking point. Helllooooooooo, did you guys happen to notice how many lil sluts were runnng around at twisted. Something has got to change, cuz it's fucking rediculous how many youngin were there. The fact that they advertise these bloody parties everywhere younger crowds are is kinda gross. But it's smart in a way. They would rather have young newbies at their parties cuz they're more prone to attend the next 5 after that one. Same kind of ploy the cigarette companies used to get ragged on for, when the were accused of advertising to the young.
blahhh, whatever. All i know is that I finally noticed how out of hand it was at twisted.
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form: what type of ignorant shit is that? you never did drugs before? u get euphoric feelings when your high.nota fuckin seizure from seeing a cop, also she did hell blow and ghb. even if your cracked out theory were true, that just proves she wasn't just on x. if it was bad x then her friend shoulda had a big seizure party as well no?
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Apr 23, 03
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^ I didn't mean to come across as ignornant :y:
Its one theory but not necessarily precise to the events that unfolded that night. Combining various chemicals has never been wise and at that age maybe experimenting with several hardcore drugs isn't the best thing for a young developing mind. As for the euphoric feeling I'd say that’s true depending on the individual. If she’s paranoid of her abusive father who is anti-drugs/raves then I think she may have had a serious issue on her hands at the time. The fact of the matter is I don't know the entire story but I question whether or not those seizures would have existed if they hadn't have been stopped and questioned. It’s possible she lost her composure, panicked and let her fear overtake her. Stopped, questioned, seizure, ambulance, hospital and then it hit the media. Change the first variable and the blame has been shifted. 1. Psychological - A person who has used too much cocaine is probably experiencing emotional (psychic) trauma, i.e., emotional irritation, agitation, anxiousness, or paranoia. This person primarily needs emotional support, comfort, and monitoring until the fear/panic reaction has subsided. We’ll never know. fORM
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Apr 23, 03
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Oddly enough I sat out side of the plaza fliering once. I saw about 3 people take out between 6-8am. Now I've done sound for 300+ shows, I've only seen about 1 bad case in all that time with underground shows.
Go figure, safe is NOTHING to do with legal parties, It's to do with the people at shows. Big flashy parties invite stupid people, stupid people do stupid shit. Quote:
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EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
I KNOW THE GiRL, SHE's NOT DEAD...SHE's IN A COMA IN HOSPITAL...YES, SHE OD'D yes it was stupid of her but she migth die and all u care about is if the fucking plaza is going to be shut or not??? fucking have some respect people she's 15 years old!
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ya, i'm still noob, but regardless, noobs everywhere: 1. 4 caps + blow + jib/ whatever the fuck else she did <--what the fuck do you expect when you combine all that shit. i'd like an honest answer of how many people really would of even thought about doin that much in a single go for your first time. just a BIT of common sense. ya gotta be fucktard to be ignorant of at least an INKLING of what sort of shit that's gonna do to you. 2. it's shit like this that gives raves and ravers a bad name. especially when it involves the adolescent audience. granted, it sucks big time what happens. hope you getterr better soon and hope you have a healthier perspective on drugs plur edit: damn these cloven whoves...typing errors
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It is a tragedy that a 15 year old is in a coma because of a bad decision she made. Think this is going to make any other teenager think twice about doing unknown drugs? Maybe for kids that clue in that it could have easily been them, but I'm pretty sure someone else will be making headlines soon. As Crazy Dave implied best "Stupid is what stupid does".
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Apr 23, 03
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and dotn even proceed to tell me uve never made a fucking stupid decision in your life...u have, i know u have...we all have1
yes, hers may cost her life but the fact that ure all ravers, u all do drugs..u have no right to say shit, if u were straightedge maybe ide take it into consideration but if uve ever done chemicals ure a fuckign moron and u have no right to criticize those who took to much!
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Apr 23, 03
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winston thats not true ive got the same opinions on 40 year olds
a stupid decision is a stupid decision regardless of age fuck i duno obviously im upset since i know her i go to shcool with her its gonna change my perspective on things.... who ru to talk?? u and myles did 7 grams of mushtrooms and he jumped onto a fuckign moving truck and now ure saying that this 15 yr old girl made a stupid decision...fuck look at u and ure freinds (i lvoe u myles)
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Apr 23, 03
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"btw- SHE HAD HEART ATTACKS, CIESURES AND HER LUNGS COLLAPSED"
Well if this person dies she gets a Darwin Award! Oh yea,,, people doing said events, and pumping out flyers that are marketed to stupid people are supporting the stupidity, and encouraging it. I’m kinda with Tease on this.
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Apr 23, 03
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The first party I went to was a massive. Not at the plaza though. I was young and incredibly uninformed about what the scene was really like. When I went to my first party I thought that everyone was down with the Plur business and everything was happy. I knew nothing about drugs or about wacko jib tecks that convince younger girls that ephedrine is "perfectly safe"
The plaza and other massives are attracting people who have no idea whats going on. How much drugs did this girl do? And I bet you anything she thought everything was going to be perfectly okay. Smaller parties are more often safer because the longer you're involved in the scene, the more you learn about what is safe and what isn't. And you usually have to be involved before you figure out how to find smaller parties.
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Apr 23, 03
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I'm sure everyone in this world has done something stupid once in their life.
People who decide to create a chemical cocktail in their body without knowing what the reprocussions might be deserve the consequences for their actions. I have always advocated that people should go do some research into drugs that they are curious about since it is completely up to them if they decide to go forward and try it or not. Don't fall into peer pressure, don't do it because everyone looks like they are having a great time, do it because you decide to do it and MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION! Chemicals, stimulants, cigarettes, alcohol, etc all fall into the same category... they are all drugs in one form or another. If you choose to try it out, then you also choose to accept the consequences if your body decides to reject it.
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Will I go that far again. Nope.. not a chance. I've seen just how insane one can be and the fact that I survived that experience means that I was given a second chance. I was lucky. So was Myles.
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