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  #26 (permalink)  
Old Dec 12, 04
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People loose enough money as it is at underground parties.
Do you want cheap tickets and little security or $$$ tickets with full security.
Its hard enough for a small party to book headliners on thier budgets.
Two to Four Bad ass security can not control 10 people with weapons and Bear Mace.

Even at plaza Shows, I watched the security, and it takes about 5 guys to control one Raging nammer.

Rhia you should shut up when you do not know what you are talking about.
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Old Dec 12, 04
Mad Acid Pirate
 
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A quick comment on having security at all undergorund parties, fuck that.
There will never be any type of security at a party Doom is involved in, never. Doom finds the idea reprehensible.
Maybe it's not so much a problem with secuirty as it is a problem with the certain types of people going to certain parties.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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i hope you guys can recover from this.
For any promotor/organization, thats a really uncool series of events to happen to a party you put so much time and organization and funding into.

you may not want nor need it, but you got my support.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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i think the problem here is the people complaining haven't got any idea what it takes to put on a show.


and think about this, how many other promoters would have 15 20 kids backing them up right away without question even in the real threat of danger. if i were all of you id feel safer at one of our shows where there are people with that kind of loyalty willing to jump in there like that then i would with 2- 4 security guards, especially in a situation like the one that happened on friday
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Originally Posted by cinist
i think the problem here is the people complaining haven't got any idea what it takes to put on a show.


and think about this, how many other promoters would have 15 20 kids backing them up right away without question even in the real threat of danger. if i were all of you id feel safer at one of our shows where there are people with that kind of loyalty willing to jump in there like that then i would with 2- 4 security guards, especially in a situation like the one that happened on friday
Well said shannon,


Mad respect to all that put there life in danger to help us out. Its a shame that it had to end like that.


-Tom
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Security: People hired by a private organization to guard an event and maintain order. and especially to protect the people at the event.

a security guard is hired because he/she is willing to do what it takes to protect the people/venue he/she was hired for. they should already have considered the worst situation possible an know exactly how to contain and prevent it.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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I wasn't there.. but from what I heard, the party was off the fucking hook until this shit went down. Fights could happen at any party.. it was just bad luck that it had to break loose at a sweet party like that. its a shame really.

So before you judge swiftbeats so quickly, take a step back and appreciate what a dope party it would've been without the fight.
Props to them for another sick party.
i heard the same things, was a good party until fight broke out. I dont agree with you saying fights could happen at any party. I have only been to 1 party in all my years that have had a fight. And i dont mean just peoeple yelling at each other or a shove or something. I agree with baby traits though, security is there for a reason, if they didn't do their job maybe they should be re-evaulated.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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i can remember like 6 raves last year where there was a sword!

some of those parties had security but that really didnt make differance did it

Last edited by cinist; Dec 12, 04 at 05:34 PM.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cinist
i think the problem here is the people complaining haven't got any idea what it takes to put on a show.


and think about this, how many other promoters would have 15 20 kids backing them up right away without question even in the real threat of danger. if i were all of you id feel safer at one of our shows where there are people with that kind of loyalty willing to jump in there like that then i would with 2- 4 security guards, especially in a situation like the one that happened on friday
I understand how much it takes to put on an event... why I wont take on such a task as it means ALOT of RESPONSIBILITY.
Shannon usualy I do feel quite safe at parties since I know most the ppl there and know if trouble were to happen I could count on someone to be there for me as I would do the same for them :)

My concern from the sounds of what happend is it was a brawl not someone stepping in trying to calm evryone down as Dustin said "we were winning THAN the bear spray came out". All this did was provoke a bigger fight. Im still not 100% sure exactly what happend, but I dont agree that you can stop fighting wtih fighting as thats the empression im getting?


Middle Mike: From the parties you and Mikey through you have securtity and a first aid guy on stand by from what Ive seen (much appriciated!)
I understand that underground parties are on a very tight buget and this can scare me as sometimes dangerouse risks are taken... and I too take that risk when I attend. I think for a small enough party you can get away with out having to hire security. However if your inviting the public and advertising it to the unknown... lets take some caution? Even house parties that plan to go big often take into concideration of getting some buddies of theres to run the front door or be there just incase.

Last edited by Ree Fresh; Dec 12, 04 at 05:18 PM.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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but I dont agree that you can stop fighting with fighting
violence creats violence
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Old Dec 12, 04
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rhia you havent a clue what you are talking about, i dont even understand how you can go on about it when you weren't there and havent the slightest idea what went on. this wasnt a brawl, its been explained to you.


and where was security for you when this guy borrowed the sword?

^ he's been too jail
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Why the fuck is shit like that even being brought to parties? I mean, yeah it should be confiscated at the door, but why do people bring it?
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Old Dec 12, 04
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they weren't socialized properly as children
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Old Dec 12, 04
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It was unfortunate what happened. I believe that Swiftbeats and MRC did the best they could to control the fight. They did what they believed would keep everyone as safe as possible. There was no stopping these guys. Do you think that if they had been searched they would've handed over thier weapons? I don't think so. They were determined to do what they came to do. Everyone who is talking shit should shut their mouths. Thank god everyone is ok. That's the important thing.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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they weren't socialized properly as children
No doubt.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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they weren't socialized properly as children
I'm so glad my parents told me not to bring swords to parties when I was a kid. Made me who I am today...:202: Haha.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Some of us are trying to make a point that there are certain ways of dealing with things. I dotn know how this incodent was delt with, but I would trust trained/organized security would?

Shannon im still waiting for a pm back?

Last edited by Ree Fresh; Dec 12, 04 at 06:16 PM.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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honestly rhia to answere all of that it's going to take me a few and ive just spent two days explaining this situation. ill get too it though .
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Old Dec 12, 04
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I have respect for swiftbeats/mrc they are good people.
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Old Dec 12, 04
I <3 House
 
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honestly rhia to answere all of that it's going to take me a few and ive just spent two days explaining this situation. ill get too it though .

fair enough :)
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Old Dec 12, 04
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no seriously... SWIFTBEATS/mrc kudos to you for putting so much time and effort into throwing parties..even tho shit happens you guys are out for a good time and try to make it the same for others,to bad some people don't appreciate it....
reespecto
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Old Dec 12, 04
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thanks courtney:)
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Old Dec 12, 04
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i heard the same things, was a good party until fight broke out. I dont agree with you saying fights could happen at any party. I have only been to 1 party in all my years that have had a fight. And i dont mean just peoeple yelling at each other or a shove or something. I agree with baby traits though, security is there for a reason, if they didn't do their job maybe they should be re-evaulated.
yeah cuz nammers in the main room are too FUCKED to fight.

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Old Dec 12, 04
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it's funny people keep saying 'nammers' these kids were not Vietnamese
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Old Dec 12, 04
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it's funny people keep saying 'nammers' these kids were not Vietnamese
lol... its like ravers were trained to think nammers are their only enemy?
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