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Old Dec 11, 04
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Special swiftbeats anouncement...

Just so everyone knows, here is what went down at break beat warfare......

A group of people were looking for one person who they wanted to hurt. They tried to force their way into the party but we were able to get them outside , that's when they smashed the windows and forced their way in the venue with weapons and mase .When we were trying to get those guys out our buddy got stabbed in the back.( thanks dusten for trying to help , we're so sorry that you got hurt) Dusten was one of the first to go after him and we give him props for that. There was nothing any security could have done against that unless they had guns. We searched almost all of the people but at some times we were too busy to search all.
The people with the weapons forced their way in , it's not like we could have searched them and asked for their weapons. This fight had nothing to do with Swift Beats or MRC. besides that we are the unlucky ones to have it happen at our party.
Rhia you think the "first impession " of security would have stoped this?


Also Dont blame hip hop I'll bet you the guys who did this didn't even like hip
hop.

This was an unfortunate but icsolated incident and we know this as fact.

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Old Dec 12, 04
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oh dear...

do u kno if dusten will be ok??
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Old Dec 12, 04
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sorry to hear that this had to happen to you guys talked to Tom last night heard he got a pretty bad load of mace to the face.. Hope Dustin is ok and everything is put to rest. Very unfortunate incedent just glad to know it didnt escalate to somthing much worse there on the spot..
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Old Dec 12, 04
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The people with the weapons forced their way in , it's not like we could have searched them and asked for their weapons.
Security should have asked them. (but if they forced their way in then ya... it went out of ur control.)
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Old Dec 12, 04
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dustin is ok, close call though
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Old Dec 12, 04
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If security cant control the party then mabye you need better or more security. Thats their job
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Old Dec 12, 04
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^ shut up.
Stop blameing this on security.
It had nothing to do with security.
the people that did this knew what they were doing and NO ONE could stop them.
Even if they tried.
It really sucks that it happened.... and especially to such a dope party and what not...
but fuck...NO ONE COULD STOP THEM so shut up.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Originally Posted by beatsjunky
If security cant control the party then mabye you need better or more security. Thats their job
but what would you have expected security to do when ppl are breaking there way in...
kindly ask them to stop and hand over there weapons?
from everything i heard not much could be done in a situation that was like this





ps why not post that on ur account....
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Originally Posted by beatsjunky
If security cant control the party then mabye you need better or more security. Thats their job
After these guys were asked to leave, they forced themselves in through windows with weapons in hand. Now, if security isn't armed, how do you expect them to be able to "control" anything. Numbers wouldn't have helped matters either... mace is used for crowd control.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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but what would you have expected security to do when ppl are breaking there way in...
kindly ask them to stop and hand over there weapons?
from everything i heard not much could be done in a situation that was like this





ps why not post that on ur account....

Just goes to show that some people just dont have the nerve to post negative shit under thiere own account how sad...
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Swiftbeats should not come under fire for this. Like it was said before, they were the unlucky ones because it happened at their party. By the sounds of it, the party was as secure as an underground party can be.

You're never 100% safe from this kind of thing, but if you need that assurance, then why don't you (everyone blaming SB) cough up the money for a 'legal', fully secured party.

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Old Dec 12, 04
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I wasn't there.. but from what I heard, the party was off the fucking hook until this shit went down. Fights could happen at any party.. it was just bad luck that it had to break loose at a sweet party like that. its a shame really.

So before you judge swiftbeats so quickly, take a step back and appreciate what a dope party it would've been without the fight.
Props to them for another sick party.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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I wasn't there.. but from what I heard, the party was off the fucking hook until this shit went down. Fights could happen at any party.. it was just bad luck that it had to break loose at a sweet party like that. its a shame really.

So before you judge swiftbeats so quickly, take a step back and appreciate what a dope party it would've been without the fight.
Props to them for another sick party.
Yeah, I heard it was awesome. I think that anyone that was there and actually knows what went down, they should be backing Swiftbeats 100%.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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^ it was indeed an awesome party.
one of the better ones i have been to.
but isnt that always how it is at a swiftbeats party...
YES!!!!!
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Swiftbeats: I think were more sugesting security for ALL underground events. It just so happens that shit went down at this particular rave, but I dont think were pointing the blame finger at you guys.

Youll find security guards almost anywere these days even at a the Hippy Folk Festable. Some of the biggest complaints and concerns about the underground raves is that there is NO SECURITY, NO FIRST AID, NO FIRE EXITS. This is probly the cops and city's biggest worry because there is no one TRAINED to deal with these problems at the raves... hence why there so keen to shut parties down.

I found mylsef (5'2" 105lbs) intoxicated carrying a machette at one underground party with no security. Of corse im not gonna harm anyone, but if anyone wanted too they could of easly taken that from me and put in the wrong hands.

In most cases shit doesnt happen, but reality is most the ppl at the party are intoxicated and under the influence of somthing. You need to have a back up plan if any shit does go down.

Like I said this goes to all underground events. And case of the other night is going to show alot of newbies and the city the danger of underground raves.



PS: first impression of security could of given the gangsters a second though? So many times I hear comments like "what kind of security you guys have?" "No security at the rave" ususaly ppl are just trying to sneak in booz, but in this case if anyone wanted to cause shit they would realize there is no one trained or paid to stop them. And you guys mentioned "too busy to keep searching ppl" thats why Azim hires security... cus he doesnt have time to run a party and search ppl ;)

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Old Dec 12, 04
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I found mylsef (5'2" 105lbs) intoxicated carrying a machette at one underground party with no security. Of corse im not gonna harm anyone, but if anyone wanted too they could of easly taken that from me and put in the wrong hands.
So... can you give alittle background on the machette thing? How did you end up with it?
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Old Dec 12, 04
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security guards are mainly used as an intimidation
you see big dudes, with angry faces, you think twice about messing around.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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I had some great talks with security gaurds and cops who both agree its more about your personality and attidude than how big you are. Its about DEALING with ppl, not being the physicly bigger person. Why do you see so many female security guards? They can still do a good job.

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Old Dec 12, 04
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So... can you give alittle background on the machette thing? How did you end up with it?

Lets just say that was awhile ago. I dont remember how I managed to get it. I do remember giving a friend of mine shit for bringign it though. I trusted them with it, but not if they lost it or gave it to the wrong person.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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I had some great talks with security gaurds and cops who both agree its more about your personality and attidude than how big you are. Its about DEALING with ppl, not being the physicly bigger person. Why do you see so many female security guards? They can still do a good job.
Well, it certianly helps if you can back up that attitude. If someone pulls a knife, or any other weapon for that matter, you're gonna want someone with brute force to "deal" with the situation.
I watched this show a long time ago about bodyguards. I think they were the bodyguards for the Queen or some other British royalty. Yes, these guys were not the biggest. They liked to blend in with the crowd so if a situation did occur, they had the element of surprise.
For parties though, I think the best option is to have those big guys for intimidation. Make them very noticeable.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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For parties though, I think the best option is to have those big guys for intimidation. Make them very noticeable.
Ture goign back to my point about first impression. Also keep in mind that security automaticly sets a none biased opinon (not takign sides) They just want peace and I think ppl respect and react a lill less harsh when dealing with them compard to your avrage person.

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Old Dec 12, 04
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Ture goign back to my point about first impression. Also keep in mind that security automaticly sets a bias opinon (not takign sides) They just want peace and I think ppl respect and react a lill less harsh when dealing with them compard to your avrage person.
Yeah for sure. The word intimidation may be too harsh. You don't have to be scared of these people, but just know that they are there for your protection. Someone who is looking to cause a problem should second guess themselves when they see what they're up against. Which brings in the physical or first impression again.

But again, this is the underground scene. To party freely like this, you must take some risks in the process.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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But again, this is the underground scene. To party freely like this, you must take some risks in the process.
Your right it is a risk we take when we go. However this also incresses the reasons to bust parties and have a much less intrest level of party goers/suporters.

Im not askign for high priced security such as Genisis. There are ppl we know who are trained security and have done underground events. You dotn have to have a fancy army to keep evryone safe, but to have a coupld of ppl who can focus on the ppl's safety might be a good idea when throwing an event with alot of ppl.
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Old Dec 12, 04
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Your right it is a risk we take when we go. However this also incresses the reasons to bust parties and have a much less intrest level of party goers/suporters.

Im not askign for high priced security such as Genisis. There are ppl we know who are trained security and have done underground events. You dotn have to have a fancy army to keep evryone safe, but to have a coupld of ppl who can focus on the ppl's safety might be a good idea when throwing an event with alot of ppl.
Yes, I agree.

To my knowledge though, SB did have security for Breakbeat, right?
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Old Dec 12, 04
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or we can put teh cost of security towards guns, and we can point them at eveyone who approaches the venue!

lol j/k
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