Kid arrested for bringing glass of water to Schiavo

[PHOTONIC]

Thats wicked that they arrested the kid. What will those crazy yanks think up next?

[impure]

how about starving you because you can't talk to defend yourself?

[djmarkpaul]

Right wing sources this, Christain propaganda that, blah blah blah.

Soon as someone starts to disregard wummy's case here on the basis of character, you are living in a world of fallacy. Admitably, I find bringing in religious beliefs to not help but hinder his case. This is however his opinion and he's entitled to it. For those that may still disagree with him, I have a request.

Attack the arguement, not the arguer.

Or better yet, someone please try and find ANY evidence that suggests she wasn't abused, because wum, here has done a fairly decent job in doing otherwise. Until then, it's just rhetoric, we all have an opinion afterall.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by automatic

i'd like to tell you all a little story...

there's a friend of the family that i know.

he's a really great guy, i mean i really like this guy. he's an old hippy, handy with his hands, he builds bikes in his garage, fixes cars, welll liked in the community, people drop by his place ona saturday, like a neighbourhood gathering spot...

the only problem?

within the last couple of years he's become increasingly concerned about "contrails" and the possibility that government jets are doing some sort of high altitude fly-overs releasing toxic or weather influencing chemicals. he's always been into the possibilities of strange energies and technologies, pyramids, etc.. he's always been a bit eccentric, that's part of his charm.

this in itself is not so much a problem. i mean i certainly can't prove him wrong (remember, it's VERY hard to prove a negative).

the problem is that you try to talk to him about ANYTHING AT ALL and he's bound to bring up contrails. got a bit of a cold? he's "not surprised, the contrails have been really bad lately". gas prices up? "not surprised, they've been flying a lot of flights lately" crocuses up on a beautiful spring day? "they're up earlier every year, it's because of the contrails". canucks lost? "yeah, i'm surprised they can skate at all, what with all of the contrails".

i love the guy, but sometimes he's just hard to talk to, you know?

wum, you remind me a lot of him.

except that i don't really like you.

You're right that it does come off as paranoia, but since there is a total blackout on reporting contrails and chemtrails (ie: big difference, your buddy is probably talking about the later) from your supposed reputable media sources, you find that there is nothing being done to quell this sort anxious behaviour.

No reports on the issue just beg for paranoia, and if there is nothing to hide, then why don't you ever hear anything about this topic on the evening news? Perhaps you're the one that has the problem, it's called denial.

So you're telling me there are no anamolies in the sky!?

http://chemtrailcentral.com/


Is there no problem with the picture on the first page?

"If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst"

- Thomas Hardy, 1887

Ponder this quote for a while.

***

Wum, don't feel too bad about his comment, he's just trying to get a rise out of you. Auto knows more than he will admit on this site. I say this according to a contact of mine that frequents the Lotus often enough to view a handshake in question. Not to say all masons are evil or in the know (that would be a fallacy in itself), but with masonic connections made obviously he won't want to take a look on the other side of the coin. Didn't mean to get personal Jay but you really did start it this time.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Stoned now.

Will comment later.

Really boosts your credibility. Waiting for that comment.

[impure]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

You're right that it does come off as paranoia, but since there is a total blackout on reporting contrails and chemtrails (ie: big difference, your buddy is probably talking about the later) from your supposed reputable media sources, you find that there is nothing being done to quell this sort anxious behaviour.

No reports on the issue just beg for paranoia, and if there is nothing to hide, then why don't you ever hear anything about this topic on the evening news? Perhaps you're the one that has the problem, it's called denial.

So you're telling me there are no anamolies in the sky!?

http://chemtrailcentral.com/


Is there no problem with the picture on the first page?

"If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst"

- Thomas Hardy, 1887

Ponder this quote for a while.

***

Wum, don't feel too bad about his comment, he's just trying to get a rise out of you. Auto knows more than he will admit on this site. I say this according to a contact of mine that frequents the Lotus often enough to view a handshake in question. Not to say all masons are evil or in the know (that would be a fallacy in itself), but with masonic connections made obviously he won't want to take a look on the other side of the coin. Didn't mean to get personal Jay but you really did start it this time.

you're that neighbour of autos arent you?
ADMIT IT!

[wum]

DECLARATION OF BARBARA J. WELLER

STATE OF FLORIDA )

COUNTY OF PINELLAS )

I, BARBARA WELLER, Attorney for Respondents in the above-styled case, hereby declare under penalty of perjury:



I visited with Terri at various times during the day on March 18, 2005, the day her feeding tube was removed.



During the morning I was in the room with Terri and various members of her family. Terri was in good spirits that morning. The mood in her room was jovial, particularly around noontime, as we knew Congressional attorneys were on the scene and many were working hard to save Terri's life. For most of that time, I was visiting and talking with Terri along with Terri's sister Suzanne Vitadamo, Suzanne's husband, and Terri's aunt, who was visiting from New York to help provide support for the family. A female Pinellas Park police office was stationed at the door outside Terri's room.

[...]

The most dramatic event of this visit happened at one point when I was sitting on Terri's bed next to Suzanne. Terri was sitting in her lounge chair and her aunt was standing at the foot of the chair. I stood up and learned over Terri. I took her arms in both of my hands. I said to her, "Terri if you could only say ‘I want to live' this whole thing could be over today." I begged her to try very hard to say, "I want to live." To my enormous shock and surprise, Terri's eyes opened wide, she looked me square in the face, and with a look of great concentration, she said, "Ahhhhhhh." Then, seeming to summon up all the strength she had, she virtually screamed, "Waaaaaaaa." She yelled so loudly that Michael Vitadamo, Suzanne's husband, and the female police officer who were then standing together outside Terri's door, clearly heard her. At that point, Terri had a look of anguish on her face that I had never seen before and she seemed to be struggling hard, but was unable to complete the sentence. She became very frustrated and began to cry. I was horrified that I was obviously causing Terri so much anguish. Suzanne and I began to stroke Terri's face and hair to comfort her. I told Terri I was very sorry. It had not been my intention to upset her so much. Suzanne and I assured Terri that her efforts were much appreciated and that she did not need to try to say anything more. I promised Terri I would tell the world that she had tried to say, "I want to live."

[...]

About four in the afternoon, several hours after the feeding tube was removed, I returned to Terri's room. By that time she was alone except for a male police officer now standing inside the door. When I entered the room and began to speak to her, Terri started to cry and tried to speak to me immediately. It was one of the most helpless feelings I have ever had. Terri was looking very melancholy at that point and I had the sense she was very upset that we had told her things were going to get better, but instead, they were obviously getting worse. I had previously had the same feeling when my own daughter was a baby who was hospitalized and was crying and looking to me to rescue her from her hospital crib, something I could not do. While I was in the room with Terri for the next half hour or so, several other friends came to visit and I did a few press interviews sitting right next to Terri. I again raised her window shade, which had again been pulled down, so Terri could at least see the garden and the sunshine from her lounge chair. I also turned the radio on in her room before I left so that when she was alone, she would at least have some music for comfort.

[...]

FURTHER YOUR DECLARANT SAYETH NOT.



I hereby declare, under penalty of perjury, that the foregoing is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge and belief. Executed this 22nd day of March, 2005, at Seminole, Florida.



BARBARA J. WELLER

Sworn to and subscribed before me this 25th day of March, 2005.

http://www.terrisfight.net/

[MarcelM]

Originally Posted by FireWire

OK, I am probably going to sound so ignorant here, but who the fuck is Terri Schiavo and why is she so significant? Sorry for this question...

I didn´t know it either, but I did some reserach on google.
I think you should do the same thing.... it´s a long story, but don´t worry it´s not hard to understand.

[mapleleaf4ever]

*adjusts his Tin-Foil Helmet*

[wum]

Terri Bleeding From Eyes and Mouth

Contrary to predictions that Terri Schiavo's starvation death would be painless and dignified, an eyewitness who visited her hospice room early Saturday morning reports that she is now bleeding from the eyes and mouth. Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends" reports:

"Barbara Weller, who is one of the attorneys for the Schindlers, says that the last time she checked in, not very many hours ago, Terri's eyes and tongue were bleeding now.

"Her eyes are sunken and her skin continues to flake off," Weller added.

On Thursday Terri's parents reported that their daughter now resembles "an Auschwitz victim."

At the request of Michael Schiavo's attorney, Judge George Greer has banned cameras and video equipment from her room, precluding the possibility that a photographic record of her deteriorating condition might be kept.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Really boosts your credibility. Waiting for that comment.

um, I've seen you stonned many times.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Auto knows more than he will admit on this site. I say this according to a contact of mine that frequents the Lotus often enough to view a handshake in question. Not to say all masons are evil or in the know (that would be a fallacy in itself), but with masonic connections made obviously he won't want to take a look on the other side of the coin.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

just because i know the secret handshake doen't mean i'm in the club.

no wait, actually,


I AM YOUR REPTILIAN OVERLORD!!!!!!!

and actually i've taken a good long look at the other side of the coin, and came to the conclusion that it's largely just a bunch of rich people trying to become richer, not some evil conspiracy with overarching plans for the future of the human race. of course i can't prove that it's NOT some evil conspiracy with overarching plans for the future of the human race, as you can't really prove anegative, so don't worry, you guys will have something to obsess about for as long as you want.

[lou_belle]

sorry guys...

I can see you've been struggling for answers without me*

This decision was not the parents to make. When a person decides to get married, they put their life in their partners hands. They trust this person to make the right choices and drive the right speed..and after 14 years of paralysis of her brain...I "think" her husband made the right decision without greed to let her pass.
Her parents should understand that 14 years of care-giving and LOVe in a vegitative state for someone that never even decided to live could very well be toturous. Nature has its ways of healing...but not after 14 years with NO progress...it's simply false-hopes that drive their decsion. A bunch of coincidental movements and blurps. They should be encouraging their daughter that the decision made by her husband is not scary in any way..allowing her to go through her transition from life to death in the most euphoric and LOVely state possible. Ugh, the TV crews and cameras disgust me. What kind of atmosphere is that to die in...no sign of a sweet system either for her to listen to~
I would hope my parents wouldn't question my husbands decisions to have me die after years of care in such a state. How disrespectful. I sure as hell wouldn't want my ugly face on TV every waking hour..showing complete strangers how my husband made the decision to allow me to pass like nature intended. But wait, could brain transplants be in the near future?? give it up...we're not god*

[wum]

^ her husband was a bastard.

side note: if they're going to kill her, why not a morphine over dose or something?

[impure]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

sorry guys...

I can see you've been struggling for answers without me*

I "think" her husband made the right decision without greed to let her pass.

hahahaha

you "think"
finally you see it as we do.

[impure]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

. But wait, could brain transplants be in the near future?? give it up...we're not god*

cryogenicaly freeze her and when brain transplants are possible, unfreeze?

[lou_belle]

YES! YOU MEAN IT'S POSSIBLE?!

*sounds smart enough

[wum]

Alex Jones is doing his radio show on this whole fiasco. Click on my sig.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by wum

side note: if they're going to kill her, why not a morphine over dose or something?

medical professionals would gladly administer anesthetics to ease her off to the great beyond. do you know why they can not?

because the religious right who are "pro-life" would see that as legal euthanasia.

so the pro-life/save terri camp has to decide what it really wants. if you think it's evil/torture to starve her to death then you should support euthanasia. that's why it's hypocritical to say "save terri" and then 5 minutes later say "well you guys are going to fucking starve and torture her, why don't you do it more humanely"

newsflash we treat our animals more humanely. when a pet gets some sorta horrible disease or hit by a car, does the vet say to us:
"well old rover here's got 5 days to live, i'd ease him into the great beyond, but that's not what rover's mom wanted, so you just take'm home and let him die a horrible and painful death"

*btw: dying of starvation is not painful. ask anyone who's had a relative pass away by choice when diagnosed with something extremely serious. it is very common for feelings of euphoria to accompany impending death by starvation. my experience personally is limited in this regard, but from anecdotal evidence from various sources their relatives/friends weren't thrashing away and screaming in agony when they chose to starve themselves at the end. these people were concious and coherent, and able to enjoy the last few days on earth with their friends and family.

[impure]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

YES! YOU MEAN IT'S POSSIBLE?!

*sounds smart enough

yeah, there's a place in cali that does it. (cryogenic freezing)
the guy who built it supposedly preached about how he was immortal and how he would live on with his cryogenic freezing.
then he died in a car accident.
ha ha.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

*btw: dying of starvation is not painful. ask anyone who's had a relative pass away by choice when diagnosed with something extremely serious. it is very common for feelings of euphoria to accompany impending death by starvation. my experience personally is limited in this regard, but from anecdotal evidence from various sources their relatives/friends weren't thrashing away and screaming in agony when they chose to starve themselves at the end. these people were concious and coherent, and able to enjoy the last few days on earth with their friends and family.

Very eloquent legalese, but euphoria only kicks in when your body consumes itself right before you slip into a coma. Thrashing around is a bit difficult when you’re literally starving to death. Did you know in the last stage of hypothermia you also feel great warmth? Use some common sense; this is a horrible way to die.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by wum

Very elegant legalese, but euphoria only kicks in when your body consumes itself right before you slip into a coma. Thrashing around is a bit difficult when you’re literally starving to death. Did you know in the last stage of hypothermia you also feel great warmth? Use some common sense; this is a horrible way to die.

says who? all the folks i've spoken too spent the last moments talking with their grandma/grandpa/mother/father whoever as they drifted off. they would not have been please if their relative/friend started struggling in anyway. even for 2 seconds. so don't come off like it's death by torture.

the people i'm mentioning chose to starve themselves when they had an extremely short amount of time left. and no after 2 days they didn't breakdown and start eating. don't tell me that if you've got terminal cancer and you're in tremendous pain that you'd want to increase the pain.

btw: wum, no one said dying is nice, but my whole point is these people did not suffer. isn't that what you want? you just said a few posts ago that they should use a better method than starvation.

*this still bypasses the fact that her husband is her legal guardian.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

says who? all the folks i've spoken too spent the last moments talking with their grandma/grandpa/mother/father whoever as they drifted off. they would not have been please if their relative/friend started struggling in anyway. even for 2 seconds. so don't come off like it's death by torture.

the people i'm mentioning chose to starve themselves when they had an extremely short amount of time left. and no after 2 days they didn't breakdown and start eating. don't tell me that if you've got terminal cancer and you're in tremendous pain that you'd want to increase the pain.

btw: wum, no one said dying is nice, but my whole point is these people did not suffer. isn't that what you want? you just said a few posts ago that they should use a better method than starvation.

*this still bypasses the fact that her husband is her legal guardian.

Those people probably died from their terminal cancer, not starvation. Let me ask you, did they not eat or drink anything for more than 10 days?

[miss.myra]

I think it is absolutely unbelievable that this has even touched the hands of lawmakers at all levels of government. This is someone's life, this should only affect the person at hand and those in their family. It's like both sides are using this woman as their fucking mascot, and it's quite sickening. This is a very private and personal matter. This is taking so much away from something that should be done with dignity, not in the middle of a media circus.

Anyways Wum, you post a lot of things, but for every story you post you can find something that counters the point. I read the other day Mr. Schiavo's lawyer and someone who worked at the hospice claimed she wasn't bleeding from the mouth. They will put almost anything in the media if it makes people feel something, if it fuels people's already entrenched opinions.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm?tbid=753&thePhoto=To day's&CatName=&CID=


(Now I bet you can find me a link that would give the exact opposite opinion, from a medical perspective! That's just what happens in situations like this, it's a shame)

[FireWire]