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Mar 23, 05
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Kid arrested for bringing glass of water to Schiavo
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Mar 23, 05
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im not a asshole or insensitive.. but i think the tube should stay out...
just ask yourself this question "If you were in her shoes .. would you want to lie in a bed for 15 years.... not being able to do anything for yourself at all .. completely helpless in every aspect of life.. no chance of survival on your own... would you really want that for yourself or someone you loved????? in my opinion NO!..... if i cant take care of myself then whats the point of being around...
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Mar 23, 05
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^ yeah but you have to respect that people have a choice to make that decision, because it's what you would want doesn't necessarily mean that's what she wants, her spouse claims one thing, her parents another. She's also of Roman Catholic faith and it would forbid for the tubes to be removed even in such a case.
That in mind, I don't really know where I stand on the issue. I think it's devastating that it has come down to state as well as national senates debating this person's life. Just goes to show the importance of having a written will or something to express your intent these days! ps- the kid wasn't arrested for trying to bring her water, he crossed a police barricade.
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Mar 23, 05
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Mar 23, 05
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I dunno this is a very very sad case. You got the mother and father who brought her into this world and refuse to lose hope and yet you got the husband who is all for removing the tube and who knows what his motives are... maybe its to claim her estate when she die's as well as life insurance... I mean sure its tough on all of them because of her condition. Anyone can turn around and say "if I ever have brain damage, and am in a vegetative state then take me out" . But who is to know whether if once when there in that position that they have made the decision to stay alive but is unable to communicate that to others. Even if they keep her with the feeding tube she is not going to live as long as expected. But honestly starving someone to death is just barberic regardless of the condition there in.
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Mar 23, 05
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Fuck, I hate how this has turned into a media circus. I'm pretty sure she did not want her life to be this huge political controversy. It's sad what the media's doing to her.
I don't know the whole story, and I don't want to get into debates, but I think generally, spouses are closer to each other than their parents. And her family might want to keep her alive for their own reasons: just to have her there, which is pretty selfish. Life is a beautiful thing, but sometimes, you have to face the music. I think people saying "OH i'm PRO life" need to remember that this situation is not black and white. You can't just say she should live because life is precious and/or a gift. You have to consider all the other factors. Also these people usually say that thinking of their own beliefs, and may not be thinking about Shiavo. Put yourself in her shoes. Try to picture what she really feels.
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Mar 23, 05
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^ I don't believe the husband's intentions are that malicious.
Prior to the collapse that gave her heart failure which resulted in brain damage that has her in the state she is in today she was bullimic (caused this all to happen.) People w/ eating disorders are obesessed with body image, but some of them are also feeling unhappy and out of control in their lives that they do this to slowly waste away and die. She may have wanted to die well before this even happened. I think her spouse is really just trying to stick to what he claims she would have wanted and he's not backing down, and that takes a lot of courage to do.
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Mar 24, 05
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Her ex-husband wants her dead. The family says he was abusive and that it is possible that he was to blame for her condition (beat the hell out of her). He got one million dollars from the doctors and spent it all. He also denied any kind of therapy to Terri and married another woman.
This, in any civilized court in the world would mean that he has no authority over her . Her parents want to take care of her, but the husband wants her dead, and unbelievable as it sounds, the Judiciary in the States is giving him reason. This case is important also because it will create a precedent. The woman is NOT in a coma and she never said she wanted to die. She is only a disposable human being, in the eyes of the NWO. It is important for them to start to get rid of people like her, because it is part of their plan to "clean the earth". This is also part of their plan for a culture of death, so much liked by satan.
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Mar 24, 05
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Mar 24, 05
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Mar 24, 05
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1. Just because she's not in a coma doesn't mean that she's not a vegetable. Terminally ill patients who are still alive can decide to withhold all medical interventions and die with dignity and in peace.
2. Her husband received money in a setlement; however when this fight started 8 years ago, he offered to donate all the procedes to charity if her parents allowed her to die in peace. THIS IS POSTED ON HER PARENT'S OWN SITE. They're admitting that they know he doesn't want any money, because there's no money to get. It's all gone. Most of is has been used up in medical fees and such. AGAIN, YOU CAN FIND INFO ON THE PARENT'S WEBSITE. 3. It's very interesting how everyone jumps on this bandwagon. This case has been going on for years, but most people haven't given a fuck until just now. 4. This isn't about good vs. evil. This isn't about what you think, or what the media thinks. Our opinion on this matter should NOT hold any relevance whatsoever. 5. When you get married, your husband/wife automatically gets to have power of attorney. Your parent's stop having the ultimate say in your life. According to law, her husband has the right to speak for her because she cannot speak for herself. 6. WUM: leave your right wing, ignoramous, christian ideology out of this. I believe in God, but I don't use him as an excuse to remain ignorant an impose my values and views on other people. It's fine that you wouldn't do this if you were in the same position as her husband, but again, and i'll REPEAT, it's no one's decision to make but her husband. 7. The judicial and political branches are supposed to remain separate. It's the only way to ensure checks and balances in an already fucked up system. The republicans currently control all of the branches of the US government, and that's fucked. That means they can impose their will on anyone. 8. I think it's really far fetched to think that her husband would be wasting $500, 000 in legal bills just so he could get out of having to take care of her. There was more than enough money to ensure that she could be taken care of. No one would have blamed him for moving on with his life 8 years after his wife became brain damaged. So the theory that he's trying to kill off his wife so he can move on with his life seem a little bogus to me. He's already started a new family, why would he keep fighting to ensure that Terri's last wishes were upheld? 9. She is definitely brain damaged. Her brain was liquified. There is no way that she'll ever recover (this was determined 7 whole years after her accident by experts who know much more than the media, or us, for that matter. 10. She would not die a painful death. Your brain has to function in order for complex things like responding to painful stimuli can work. She can't feel pain. And actually, according to palliative care experts, when your body goes into starvation mode it goes into ketosis. That means that it starts breaking down fat for energy. The build up of those ketones is supposed to limit nerve impulses in a regular person, making them unable to feel pain in their final hours. Also, the buildup of toxins in the body as the kidneys shut down is supposed to give people a feeling of euphoria. Again, it's not up to anyone to decide this woman's faith except her husband. Speculating that he was abusive is just that, pure speculation. ps. wum, like seriously. if you're going to try and make an argument about this, at least post links to reputable sites. and wtf, "the NWO is trying to promote a culture of death, much like satan"? ARE YOU INSANE? I am so glad that my God is a God who would allow me to have the autonomy to decide my own fate, and not let my soul suffer for 8 years (the length of time this whole case has been going on for) in a dead body. The bible teaches us that the body is a temple that houses the soul. Well, I'd hate to break it to you, but this woman's temple imploded. She's trapped inside a five feet tall pile of rubble and needs out. *shakes head* Ignorance is truely the most dangerous and evil weapon out there.
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Mar 24, 05
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btw wum, until you can deal with an ethical question without trying to convince us all that the evil shadow government is intituting a mind-washing program to get us to piss in our own cornflakes you'll never come across as anything but a crackpot...
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Mar 24, 05
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and getting beyond the question of whether it's possible for someone with no functioning consciousness to "feel" pain, she'd be in a palliative care ward, where at the first indications of stress and discomfort they'd administer painkillers and/or sedatives...
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Mar 24, 05
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last time i checked, the spouse has final say in everything. that's why she was married to her spouse, not her parents. and those are the rules in EVERY civilized court of the western world. bypassing the rights of the spouse would do more to damage to marriage then the imagined problems of gay marriage. you're right wum, the woman's not in a coma. she's a vegetable, her head is full of SPINAL fluid. as in no brain matter. do you understand what that means? the person to blame for terry's condition isn't her husband, it's the gynecologist who mis-diagnosed terry's condition in the first place. this was the mis-dianosis that resulted in the 1million dollar judgement that you speak of wum. so i guess michael managed to frame a doctor after he caused terry's condition. one last thing. you just said michael schiavo spent the million dollars. you're incorrect as usual. 750k of that million was put into a trust fund that was/is for terry's medical treatment. btw: wum, do some goddamn research, it's called google.com
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Mar 24, 05
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why don't you just admit that you're an NWO agitator
 you're an idiot. last time i checked, the spouse has final say in everything. that's why she was married to her spouse, not her parents. and those are the rules in EVERY civilized court of the western world. bypassing the rights of the spouse would do more to damage to marriage then the imagined problems of gay marriage. Ya, I wasn't really taking a text book legal approach to this  . But someone who physically abuses you and tries to kill you (while you're still healthy) obviously doesn't have your best interests at heart, as a guardian* should. We're debating ethics afterall.you're right wum, the woman's not in a coma. she's a vegetable, her head is full of SPINAL fluid. as in no brain matter. do you understand what that means? Quote:
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I didn't say how he spent it  btw: wum, do some goddamn research, it's called google.com 
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Mar 24, 05
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Dear Wum.
When quoting news sources, please use reputable ones and not Right-Wing propaganda. Thanks. FnK.
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Mar 24, 05
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Maybe if you stopped spouting your shit and started saying something that people actually want to hear/talk about, I might have a different response. :)
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Mar 24, 05
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i'd like to tell you all a little story...
there's a friend of the family that i know. he's a really great guy, i mean i really like this guy. he's an old hippy, handy with his hands, he builds bikes in his garage, fixes cars, welll liked in the community, people drop by his place ona saturday, like a neighbourhood gathering spot... the only problem? within the last couple of years he's become increasingly concerned about "contrails" and the possibility that government jets are doing some sort of high altitude fly-overs releasing toxic or weather influencing chemicals. he's always been into the possibilities of strange energies and technologies, pyramids, etc.. he's always been a bit eccentric, that's part of his charm. this in itself is not so much a problem. i mean i certainly can't prove him wrong (remember, it's VERY hard to prove a negative). the problem is that you try to talk to him about ANYTHING AT ALL and he's bound to bring up contrails. got a bit of a cold? he's "not surprised, the contrails have been really bad lately". gas prices up? "not surprised, they've been flying a lot of flights lately" crocuses up on a beautiful spring day? "they're up earlier every year, it's because of the contrails". canucks lost? "yeah, i'm surprised they can skate at all, what with all of the contrails". i love the guy, but sometimes he's just hard to talk to, you know? wum, you remind me a lot of him. except that i don't really like you.
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