Kid arrested for bringing glass of water to Schiavo

[wum]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I think it is absolutely unbelievable that this has even touched the hands of lawmakers at all levels of government. This is someone's life, this should only affect the person at hand and those in their family. It's like both sides are using this woman as their fucking mascot, and it's quite sickening. This is a very private and personal matter. This is taking so much away from something that should be done with dignity, not in the middle of a media circus.

Anyways Wum, you post a lot of things, but for every story you post you can find something that counters the point. I read the other day Mr. Schiavo's lawyer and someone who worked at the hospice claimed she wasn't bleeding from the mouth. They will put almost anything in the media if it makes people feel something, if it fuels people's already entrenched opinions.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm?tbid=753&thePhoto=To day's&CatName=&CID=


(Now I bet you can find me a link that would give the exact opposite opinion, from a medical perspective! That's just what happens in situations like this, it's a shame)

Myra, let's use common sense. Have you ever been hungry? Ever done the 30 hour famine? Is it so hard to conceive that you would experience discomfort and pain when you abstain from the one thing that sustains life? I can't believe people are saying that passing in this way is "euphoric."

[Hot Karl]

wum, you can say all you want, but doctors acknowledge that starvation is a peaceful way to go.

honestly, i tried being civil, but you're honestly everything i hate about the ignorant.

you consistently get proven wrong, you never do your own research and constantly site false things.

i don't even know why fnk bothers with you.

[Draven GD]

wow,
let everyone have an oppinion.

[impure]

^^wha he said^^

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

wum, you can say all you want, but doctors acknowledge that starvation is a peaceful way to go.

honestly, i tried being civil, but you're honestly everything i hate about the ignorant.

you consistently get proven wrong, you never do your own research and constantly site false things.

i don't even know why fnk bothers with you.

Proven wrong? Buddy, try starving yourself for a few days and see how 'peaceful' it is?? So-called "euphoria" only describes what happens right before you slip into a coma.

[Chewy]

whatever... would you rather sit in bed for 15 years.. shitting and pissing your self and drooling and unable to change your clothes or move around or get up or do absolutly fuckin anything??????

or would you rather die and not be a burden oneveryone else.. wasting time and space and money and food.. think of the people starviing around the world that work all day and get less food the she does.... if you were in her place would you want to waste food or let someone starving eat it that can actually be productive

[wum]

Defending TRUTH

In an effort to justify the murder of a mentally disabled person ABC Health describes the starving death of Terri Schiavo as a process that is “very serene”. The article, written to assure readers that death by starvation is humane, ignores the reality of starvation pain for a conscious person such as Terri. The described serenity contradicts reality and medical knowledge. Neurologist William Burke described death by dehydration in Wesley J. Smith’s book, Forced Exit:

• “A conscious person would feel it [dehydration] just as you or I would. They will go into seizures. Their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack. They may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucous membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. They feel the pangs of hunger and thirst. Imagine going one day without a glass of water! Death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days. It is an extremely agonizing death.”

The pain and agony of death by starvation is obvious to many doctors and observers but for Kate Adamson, she got to experience it first hand. Kate was 33 when she had an incapacitating stroke that left her in a persistent vegetative state. She was much less responsive the Terri is today and had to be fed through a tube inserted into her stomach. When she developed a bowel obstruction her feeding tube was removed for 8-days so that it could be operated on. Kate recovered through rehabilitation the ability to talk and interact and offered her view of the 8-days without food or water:

• “When the feeding tube was turned off for eight days, I thought I was going insane. I was screaming out in my mind, "Don't you know I need to eat?" And even up until that point, I had been having a bagful of Ensure as my nourishment that was going through the feeding tube. At that point, it sounded pretty good. I just wanted something. The fact that I had nothing, the hunger pains overrode every thought I had. “

Many liberal organizations are hailing starvation as the humane and appropriate method of death for Terri Schiavo against evidence to the contrary. Their view of the mercy in this type of killing is pure political expediency. Would they support the killing of death row inmates by starvation? Should we exercise the “humane and serene” death from starvation as a tactic of war? If it is so peaceful a way to die can’t we withhold food and water from detainees without worries of accusations of torture?

Death by starvation is not peaceful and is not humane. Terri should die of nothing but a natural death. Her executioners want us to believe it will be serene and the right thing to do but their own internal contradictions belie them for the morally bankrupt people that they are. Don’t let Terri die a painful death – go to www.helpterri.com to see what you can do.

[Hot Karl]

While you're contemplating that, feel free to address the hypocrisy inherent in your position that it's cruel to "starve her to death" but in no way do you support euthenasia.

you get proven wrong in every thread you post wum. it's as simple as that.

i'm not against opinion, but i'm against false information. the save terri crew has all these ideas, except they are all wrong, unless you think all of western medicine is in on this giant NWO CONSPIRACY.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by wum

Myra, let's use common sense. Have you ever been hungry? Ever done the 30 hour famine? Is it so hard to conceive that you would experience discomfort and pain when you abstain from the one thing that sustains life? I can't believe people are saying that passing in this way is "euphoric."

Hey I'm not taking sides here, I'm just saying it's not really anybody's place to take sides. I was trying to prove that you can find anything out there to support your own bias, because there's such a deep entrenchment out there that everyone is willing to throw something on the internet that will reiterate either side of the debate when really, I don't think it something to be debated to begin with. You can debate euthinasia or either side of the dying with dignity debate all you want, but don't use this woman as a mascot. Do you not find it atrocious there is such a media circus outside the place where this woman may be suffering and dying? It seems like strong supporters of either side don't even seem to care to give her and her family a little peace and quiet. It just doesn't sit well with me.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

While you're contemplating that, feel free to address the hypocrisy inherent in your position that it's cruel to "starve her to death" but in no way do you support euthenasia.

you get proven wrong in every thread you post wum. it's as simple as that.

i'm not against opinion, but i'm against false information. the save terri crew has all these ideas, except they are all wrong, unless you think all of western medicine is in on this giant NWO CONSPIRACY.

eu·tha·na·sia

noun
painless killing to relieve suffering: the act or practice of killing somebody who has an incurable illness or injury, or allowing or assisting that person to die. Euthanasia is illegal in most countries.

I said that if they're going to kill her, they should do it humanely.

And if you're supposed to be some crusader against false information, then all hope is lost. You're nodding your head like the tool you are when they say starving to death is peaceful?!! talk about your doublespeak.