gay marriage

[Ragga_Wh0re]

so,im talking to my mom about the united states and "no fly" lists...and then somehow we get onto the topic of gay marriage.Shes sitting there and completely generalizing homos for leading a completely different lifestyle then heteros...im like okay hold the fucking phone here what do you mean by that?I have friends that are fags and dykes and their lifestyle is not any different from us heteros aside from the fact that they fuck people of the same sex.
Then my moms only rebuttal was that they spread aids?!

YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME?!I know my mother to be a fairly open minded left wing woman,but what she just said was so fucking right wing it makes me sick.I honestly am shocked and appauled that she would say something so fucking ignorant.I lost it and had to like leave the room,this is unfuckingbeleivable.Im almost ashamed that shes my mom and thinks that way.

[sidekick]

the whole gay people spreading HIV thing is so 1980's. everyone spreads HIV. in some african countries the ammount of HIV infected adults is up to (and sometimes passed) one quarter of all adults in the country; i'm sure they're not all gay.

i was just reading in the globe and mail today that this religious group is worried that if same-sex marriage passes through the federal government, it could mean that some religious groups speaking out against gay marriage would be labelled as discriminatory.

well, boo-fucking-hoo. in my view, that's just calling an apple an apple.

when inter-racial marriage was banned i'm sure they all had the same arguments: "but if you legalize it, it means we could be called discriminatory!". well, shit...at some point these people are just going to have to deal with what they are.

[Dj Franco]

I don't want to be prejudice or anything so I wont completley speak my mind on this topic. But what I will say is, Gay people can do whatever they want, but i think they should stay away from Marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman and thats the way it should stay.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^yeah thats another thing she said about christians who are against gay marriage speaking out on it is looked at as hate crimes.

And when she said her fags spreading hiv thing i brought up the aids epidemic in africa and she pretty much shut the fuck up.Im soooooooooo fucking disgusted GAH.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

the whole gay people spreading HIV thing is so 1980's. everyone spreads HIV. in some african countries the ammount of HIV infected adults is up to (and sometimes passed) one quarter of all adults in the country; i'm sure they're not all gay.

i was just reading in the globe and mail today that this religious group is worried that if same-sex marriage passes through the federal government, it could mean that some religious groups speaking out against gay marriage would be labelled as discriminatory.

well, boo-fucking-hoo. in my view, that's just calling an apple an apple.

when inter-racial marriage was banned i'm sure they all had the same arguments: "but if you legalize it, it means we could be called discriminatory!". well, shit...at some point these people are just going to have to deal with what they are.

I completely agree. Just because it's against what some religions say doesn't mean the goverment should decide what happens with it. WTF happened to seperation of church and state... my country is fuckd. That ideal went out the window when the patriot act flew in.

[Dj Franco]

Marriage is a religious thing, if Christians don't want that taken away from them, then thats discrimination against them

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^whats makes you think that homos arent religious?!

shhhh

[robyn]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Marriage is a religious thing, if Christians don't want that taken away from them, then thats discrimination against them

If marriage were still purely a religious thing you probably couldn't get married by a judge at city hall. The times they are a becoming quite different.

[wum]

i probably shouldn't post here

[FeelGood]

Governments are always afraid of someone or something that people bring attention to them so they always go off the deep end.

My opinion, let them do whatever they want, as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else in the process.

[Dj Franco]

But you see gays wouldn't be happy with Marriage at a city hall, they specifically want to be married in a christian or catholic church, and thats just wrong in my opinion

[Dj Franco]

No Wum, speak up it would be very interesting to see what you have to say on this topic

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Marriage is a religious thing, if Christians don't want that taken away from them, then thats discrimination against them

Nope, it's a legal contract!

[robyn]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

But you see gays wouldn't be happy with Marriage at a city hall, they specifically want to be married in a christian or catholic church, and thats just wrong in my opinion

I really think that should be left up to the individual church, but the point I was trying to make is using religion as an excuse to ban gays completely from marriage is pretty weak. Hetero couples who never go to church get married everyday.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

But you see gays wouldn't be happy with Marriage at a city hall, they specifically want to be married in a christian or catholic church, and thats just wrong in my opinion

Who says the gays want a christian or catholic marriage? There is marriage in nearly every culture in the world. Most of which do not constitute as christian.

Also, marriage is NOT a strictly religious thing. Alot of gay people want to be able to marry for tax reasons.

[wum]

i think the best thing to do is not have any legal distinctions between married and unmarried people.

marriage, IMO, is a Christian institution, and it shouldn't be connected to the government or the law, which will always be subject to political winds*

this way you don't step on anyone's toes :)

the whole situation right now is pretty gay if you ask me

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Who says the gays want a christian or catholic marriage? There is marriage in nearly every culture in the world. Most of which do not constitute as christian.

Also, marriage is NOT a strictly religious thing. Alot of gay people want to be able to marry for tax reasons.

Well they have gone as far as saying they want to be married in a catholic church cause a legal binding is not enough. Well why try to destroy a religion that is so against the gay marriage. Legal binding should be enough.

[dapimpstress]

I don't know about that. I think they should be able to be married in any religious ceremony whose religion doesn't go against same sex marriage.

maybe cathocism is not the correct arena to begin this. However, gays who want a catholic marriage should take that up with the church, not the government.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Marriage is a religious thing, if Christians don't want that taken away from them, then thats discrimination against them

in that case we shouldn't allow atheist to marry either!

i'm sorry buddy, but religion and government have been in bed together long enough. i'm sure you'd like to think that religion is the institution that governs marriage, but it really isn't at all. you have to pay a marriage license fee to the federal government and NOT your church. that's just a ceremonial thing that some people want.

i think that religious figures shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages if they don't want too. that's freedom of religion, and i believe in it (even if i don't believe in any religion). but when freedom of religion infringes on other human freedoms...that's when i have a problem with it.

[wum]

so who likes my idea best? :)

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

But you see gays wouldn't be happy with Marriage at a city hall, they specifically want to be married in a christian or catholic church, and thats just wrong in my opinion

oh i see you are the official spokesperson for all gays everywhere now!

nevermind the gays that aren't religious, or are muslim, jewish, buddhist and any of the other fancy religions we have out in the world at the moment.

but no, you're totally right. NO gay people are going to be happy until they can get married specifically in a catholic church! even jewish gay people!

[Chrizzy]

Originally Posted by wum

i think the best thing to do is not have any legal distinctions between married and unmarried people.

marriage, IMO, is a Christian institution, and it shouldn't be connected to the government or the law, which will always be subject to political winds*

this way you don't step on anyone's toes :)

the whole situation right now is pretty gay if you ask me

The only problem with that would be........ the gov. deals with the taxes in which people have to pay. and if some one is married recently then their taxes are joined together. On the other side I totally agree b/c when a couple get married thegov. charges them for wanting to be with each other weather they a homos or not

[wum]

Originally Posted by Chrizzy

The only problem with that would be........ the gov. deals with the taxes in which people have to pay. and if some one is married recently then their taxes are joined together. On the other side I totally agree b/c when a couple get married thegov. charges them for wanting to be with each other weather they a homos or not

well i don't believe in taxes anyway.

this whole "legal distinction" thing sounds like a scam to me, just like Air Care

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by wum

so who likes my idea best? :)

people can already get marriages done where they are just married in the eyes of the church and not in the eyes of the government.

in fact, that's how a lot of gay people got married before the provincial governments started allowing them to marrying under the law as well. lots of churches allowed religious ceremonies for gay couples.

but the reason people want to get married under the government is all the benefits and goodies you get from it. the protection for your spouse and their belongings if they die and such.

[Chrizzy]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

in that case we shouldn't allow atheist to marry either!

i'm sorry buddy, but religion and government have been in bed together long enough. i'm sure you'd like to think that religion is the institution that governs marriage, but it really isn't at all. you have to pay a marriage license fee to the federal government and NOT your church. that's just a ceremonial thing that some people want.

i think that religious figures shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages if they don't want too. that's freedom of religion, and i believe in it (even if i don't believe in any religion). but when freedom of religion infringes on other human freedoms...that's when i have a problem with it.

I totally agree!!!!! i just couldn't find the words to say it at the moment