Apex Project 2008

[mikey]

why don't you do a free event anyways in squamish.

You do love apex, don't you avana?

[ebbomega]

Nowhere in Squamish left to do parties since the conservationists shut down M36.

[mikey]

^^^
didn't know that...

chilliwack then,

[Drazkers]

Its a real shame, best of luck finding a new venue.

[rustybob]

I knew this day was coming since Summer Break ended last year: Summer Break 07, I just hoped it wasn't going to happen.

Don't be suprised if they never let you use Popkum again. Frankly, I don't buy this "death in the family" thing. Not even the death of a Chief has a mourning period like that. I think that's just the excuse to cancel this year, and once it's gone, it's gone.

[Krusha]

^ do you have experience with native mournings or are you just making up that statement?

if you do and that's true then that does sound pretty plausible

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Nowhere in Squamish left to do parties since the conservationists shut down M36.

there are spots! just got to know them!

swift beats threw fun party last june and the spot was beautiful...

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by alla

there are spots! just got to know them!

swift beats threw fun party last june and the spot was beautiful...

You really think they would be able to hold an Apex-sized event in an area where conservation officers don't want any parties?

I just don't see it happening.

^ you said it much more eloquently then i am going to.

alla, seriously, shut up.

apex is not an event i can pick up and move into the deep woods. not to mention, i pride myself on doing the right thing and being 100% legal and safe. picking up and using an illegal venue is not an option. i need at least 15 acres for the stages and another 30 for parking.

Originally Posted by rustybob

I knew this day was coming since Summer Break ended last year: Summer Break 07, I just hoped it wasn't going to happen.

Don't be suprised if they never let you use Popkum again. Frankly, I don't buy this "death in the family" thing. Not even the death of a Chief has a mourning period like that. I think that's just the excuse to cancel this year, and once it's gone, it's gone.

did you email that guy your pictures? i hope you did. cause you got trolled.

[SWIFTBEATS]

jesus christ it's a fucking rave, why dont you people try going on vacation or something

[ebbomega]

Or Go somewhere else instead

Popkum shows are hardly the only places you can do drugs outdoors in this province

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

people wanting to mourn the loss of a family member =/= venues being unwilling to cooperate...

i was aware about the death, but i wasnt reffering to that...

considering no doubt Avana probably approached more than half a dozen other possible venues. What I was ACTUALLY reffering to is the venues turning down Apex; this goes back to the stupid stereotypes that revolve around "raves" and the other draw back... money. It may get technical, but in the big picture its simple.

Only way to get people involved properly, is money... and alterior motives; Merrit and Pemberton have those big sponsors to pull in the sought after $$, and tickets at 350$ (which can accomidate a decent price tag for renting the venue, and pristine bragging rights for the venue). I say it again... at this time big venues, look for corporate sponsors to draw in the big bucks, and a party like Apex doesnt go beyond the 10-15$ mark. Sorry to say but North America is just too greedy, and just does not cut it for a place to have a healthy party scene in.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

i was aware about the death, but i wasnt reffering to that...

considering no doubt Avana probably approached more than half a dozen other possible venues. What I was ACTUALLY reffering to is the venues turning down Apex; this goes back to the stupid stereotypes that revolve around "raves" and the other draw back... money. It may get technical, but in the big picture its simple.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Forget about the drugs altogether, let's look at what pisses normal people off about raves:

- Noise (BIIIIIIIIG ONE, and quite honestly, this more than anything will get a rave busted)
- Vandalism and violence in the area (fights breaking out outside, cars keyed, cars and landmarks driven into by irresponsible partiers)
- legalities and permits (a lot of the time also involves law enforcement in addition to private security being required to set up at the venue. Even if someone else is handling all this, it's just more hassles that people want no part of, and ultimately if things go really sour it's the venue's owners that get their reputation and city record fucked with)
- not to mention site damage (stages wanting more room encroaching on the brush, also go peruse some of the old apex threads for stories about overturned porta-potties)

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Only way to get people involved properly, is money... and alterior motives; Merrit and Pemberton have those big sponsors to pull in the sought after $$, and tickets at 350$ (which can accomidate a decent price tag for renting the venue, and pristine bragging rights for the venue). I say it again... at this time big venues, look for corporate sponsors to draw in the big bucks, and a party like Apex doesnt go beyond the 10-15$ mark. Sorry to say but North America is just too greedy, and just does not cut it for a place to have a healthy party scene in.

Counterexample: Shambhala

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Counterexample: Shambhala

Thats a different story, the event started smaller and went bigger, but the crowd at Shambhala is ALLOT more diverse than the typical ones you see in Vancouver.

Ive seen big scale events go strong without sponsorship, Exitfest in Serbia for instance went for the longest time as a political protest, then it formed itself into a large scale festival. Being voted one of the largest and best in Europe, on par with Creamfields, Gatecrasher, etc.

Noise is a big factor near residential, but in situations like the old Apex grounds... I have never heard a noise complain in regards to Apex EVEN from nearby residents. Campers have claimed they hear a light hum in the distance but nothing to be considered a complaint.

Main concern was/is the crowd according to one of the Sheriff's from Abbostsford/Chiliwack.

Yet again, going back to the stereotype. Your right, stereotypes exist for a reason, but they cant survive without something to fuel it... in the end the crowd.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

You really think they would be able to hold an Apex-sized event in an area where conservation officers don't want any parties?

I just don't see it happening.

No, that's not what i was saying. I wasn't saying there are spots big enough to have a party like Apex. I replied to your post because you said there is nowhere left to do parties in Squamish since M36 got shut down, but parties did happen in Squamish since, and i do believe there are other great spots in that area that could potentially be used.

[impure]

Originally Posted by Avana

^ you said it much more eloquently then i am going to.

alla, seriously, shut up.

apex is not an event i can pick up and move into the deep woods. not to mention, i pride myself on doing the right thing and being 100% legal and safe. picking up and using an illegal venue is not an option. i need at least 15 acres for the stages and another 30 for parking.

burns bog ftw

[GSG9]

i have a hunch that there will be some replacement parties that night seeings how its one of the busiest weekends of the summer. not that apex could ever be replaced as its more of an annual tradition than a rave now...


man i wish i owned a farm.

[matéo]

hundreds of teens will not try ecstacy for the first time this summer.

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Thats a different story, the event started smaller and went bigger, but the crowd at Shambhala is ALLOT more diverse than the typical ones you see in Vancouver.

Ive seen big scale events go strong without sponsorship, Exitfest in Serbia for instance went for the longest time as a political protest, then it formed itself into a large scale festival. Being voted one of the largest and best in Europe, on par with Creamfields, Gatecrasher, etc.

Noise is a big factor near residential, but in situations like the old Apex grounds... I have never heard a noise complain in regards to Apex EVEN from nearby residents. Campers have claimed they hear a light hum in the distance but nothing to be considered a complaint.

Main concern was/is the crowd according to one of the Sheriff's from Abbostsford/Chiliwack.

Yet again, going back to the stereotype. Your right, stereotypes exist for a reason, but they cant survive without something to fuel it... in the end the crowd.

i appreciate what it is you are trying to do here. but since you are wrong in all situations pertaining to apex, please stop talking out of your ass.

Originally Posted by matéo

hundreds of teens will not try ecstacy for the first time this summer.

i was more so thinking akeel couldnt embarass himself this year.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Avana

i appreciate what it is you are trying to do here. but since you are wrong in all situations pertaining to apex, please stop talking out of your ass.

Talking out of my ass? Okay, so you may have caught me on one thing in regards to Apex that I probably shouldnt of had written since I am "wrong in all situations pertaining to apex". Aside from that, the rest of the conversation is more directed towards Ebbomega.

In regards to throwing a big event in BC... im pretty sure if anyone approached a venue saying you have Coca-Cola, The Beat 94.5, and Heineken as official sponsors for a Music Showcase Festival... they would be more than happy to work with the event coordinators. But too bad its never that easy in Canada. Hence why we dont see many festivals Canada-wide as Europe...

[SWIFTBEATS]

thanks tips.

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Talking out of my ass? Okay, so you may have caught me on one thing in regards to Apex that I probably shouldnt of had written since I am "wrong in all situations pertaining to apex". Aside from that, the rest of the conversation is more directed towards Ebbomega.

In regards to throwing a big event in BC... im pretty sure if anyone approached a venue saying you have Coca-Cola, The Beat 94.5, and Heineken as official sponsors for a Music Showcase Festival... they would be more than happy to work with the event coordinators. But too bad its never that easy in Canada. Hence why we dont see many festivals Canada-wide as Europe...

seriously, why arent you throwing parties?! you clearly have the formula down to a science.