Apex Project 2008

[Mic B]

Im new to the vancouver area and not much of an event planner but i see the island was mentioned above...is that not a possibility? Do people not want to pay the ferry toll for the party of the summer? or is there just not that kind of room over there?

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Avana

seriously, why arent you throwing parties?! you clearly have the formula down to a science.

I like my music, its enough.

Why waste my time throwing parties and dealing with stupid drama. Vancouver clearly is oversaturated with dj's and promoters. Theres soo much redtape that its impossible to make a decent profit on one party... and multiple parties are a stress just to rake in a small fortune.

Big parties do pay off however, I understand that you are a little distraught that you wont be collecting your "management fee" this year. Id be pissed if I was in your shoes. But what can you do, cant stop the redtape.

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

I like my music, its enough.

Why waste my time throwing parties and dealing with stupid drama. Vancouver clearly is oversaturated with dj's and promoters. Theres soo much redtape that its impossible to make a decent profit on one party... and multiple parties are a stress just to rake in a small fortune.

Big parties do pay off however, I understand that you are a little distraught that you wont be collecting your "management fee" this year. Id be pissed if I was in your shoes. But what can you do, cant stop the redtape.

pretty sure you arent playing out because you arent getting booked not because of the "redtape". but you can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

[ppcock]

I only went to one apex.. didnt really like it.
shitty that there is no more venue.. it was bound to happen.

do what summerlove did and throw it in t-bird stadium... epic fail.

[Courtney]

no offence but i could care less

[Courtney]

ok that was rude but seriously oh well

you cared enough to post.

[hardstylin]

sorry to hear avana! i know its ALOT of ravers/ ex ravers fav party of the year.

i think the fnk apex crowd should just take some sound gear into the woods somewhere and have a small 30man party just for fun!!

we used to do it all the time its still a blast!

hopefully you get the venue next year!

[omega_image]

Originally Posted by Avana

you cared enough to post.

even when you're down... always looking for a fight.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

In regards to throwing a big event in BC... im pretty sure if anyone approached a venue saying you have Coca-Cola, The Beat 94.5, and Heineken as official sponsors for a Music Showcase Festival...

I can't speak for other companies listed here. But there is no way in hell a radio station would sign on with a venue-less project. It's fairly stupid from their point of few...

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by omega_image

even when you're down... always looking for a fight.

That's true, Adam.

But Courtney's replies where the dumbest, and pointless responses.

This post could've been done without them, if she flamed by bringing something smart to the topic, I wouldn't be leaving these comments for you.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I can't speak for other companies listed here. But there is no way in hell a radio station would sign on with a venue-less project. It's fairly stupid from their point of few...

lol it was just one of those random names that im sure i'd see on a flyer...

Originally Posted by Avana

pretty sure you arent playing out because you arent getting booked not because of the "redtape". but you can keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

LOL

hahahahaa

ill keep telling myself that then ;)

That is all...

[ppcock]

bookings for a rave is not something you can be proud of to put on a resume.
Pretty much, apex or not. the rave scene is dead.

Now you look to club nights, or clubs that go till 4am. There's a lot of them, and each of them bring out the old school crowd, new folks getting into the scene and hardly a gangster in site.

The rave scene is dead, but the electronic music scene is growing extremely fast.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

lol it was just one of those random names that im sure i'd see on a flyer...

It still stands that no major company would join up with a concert that has no venue. So you can't really negotiate with venues based on that.

And while you might not agree with the direction that Apex took, it's still a large event that people do look forward to. I myself never went to one (not big on large events).

Throwing a big event is tough. Criticizing an event's organization and greed when you've never thrown anything yourself is easy.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Avana

you cared enough to post.

Hence why she should _COULD_ care less.

(Do people even pay attention to what they say anymore?)

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

lol it was just one of those random names that im sure i'd see on a flyer...

So you admit you don't know what you're talking about? That you see names on a flyer and assume that they therefore are the driving force behind everything that happens there?

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Throwing a big event is tough. Criticizing an event's organization and greed when you've never thrown anything yourself is easy.

Im probably on the same level with everyone in terms of Apex, it sucks that its not happening this year. I never criticized the way Apex is organized either; I dont know where this "greed" line was manifested aswell, but in the end... I think any logical person doesnt want to work for free. Am I wrong?

[ebbomega]

So far I worked for free the last two years...

Thing is that Apex has always been about the contributions of the promoters, not about outside sponsorship. Only cases it has occurred really has been when one of the promoters brings in some outside money for their stage, but that's a lot different than getting the whole show sponsored.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

So you admit you don't know what you're talking about? That you see names on a flyer and assume that they therefore are the driving force behind everything that happens there?

In Canada I wouldnt know, but during my trip here in Europe, Radio stations are a major medium for parties (live music feeds, 24/7 hype and even radio shows dedicated to hyping events) and they offer sponsorship on many levels before the party has been even confirmed.. hence why radio stations are advertised on flyers. So im running off of what I know from my personal experience...

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

So far I worked for free the last two years...

that sucks.. did you atleast get someone to sign off that you did "volunteer hours" like in highschool? haha

[ebbomega]

Yeah, in BC most of the radio stations just sponsor the massive shows with a bunch of people you've already heard of. Pretty rare they'd get that involved with a one-night rave with a bunch of locals.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

that sucks.. did you atleast get someone to sign off that you did "volunteer hours" like in highschool? haha

I got to enjoy a party I helped put on.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I got to enjoy a party I helped put on.

so you slaved away for a 10$ ticket?

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

So far I worked for free the last two years...

Thing is that Apex has always been about the contributions of the promoters, not about outside sponsorship. Only cases it has occurred really has been when one of the promoters brings in some outside money for their stage, but that's a lot different than getting the whole show sponsored.

I agree.. i only mentioned briefly that big sponsors HELP to solidify a venue in this day and age. But there are acceptions.

[ebbomega]

God forbid I enjoy setting up gear? Also, party generally gives more weight when you've invested a bit of yourself in it. Frankly if I wasn't really helping out I probably wouldn't have a good time... too many kids getting way too blitzed on chemicals for my likings.

Plus I've seen what goes into these parties. Just showing up day of and helping set up scaffolding is nothing compared to the investment that the people actually financing this shit go through.

Also, there are few things I find more fun and stimulating than troubleshooting lost power to a circuit whilst influenced by a couple mushies. =)

Even funner is discovering the source of the issue and telling him that he killed the rave.

Ah, Apex. Good times.