cars

[Spoon]

Yeah old Gm interiors are shit, but go take a look at the Vette, CTS, STS or SRX they have really improved. Can't decide between Audi A4 Avante or Acura TSX for my next car. Still kinda liking rice.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Hemi57

As far as utlimate performance goes, the Lightning is no where near the SRT-10.

yo homeboy...we are strilling tlaking about pick up truck here, which is why the american companies have their heads up their asses...i dotn give a fuck if they build a high 12 second pickup because its still a fuckin pice of shit pick up..im from the fuckin city like 90% of the mother fuckers who live in north america...fuck pick ups they are fuckin bullshit unless your construction boy bill or hillbilly fred.

for a mother fucker like me..i want osmehting fast, that can go around the turns without fishtailijgng like some asshole from the midwest designd it..fuck that union midwest shit..i want the union euro or japnese shit, those mother fuckers make good CARS. i dont nedd no fuckin pickuup with 500hp but a car with 500hp would be nice, dont waste my time with this redneck shit. i want smehting that goes fast, turns fastm, is comfortable, reliable, luxurious, and fast as fuck, and when you look at those subjects the only answere is a CAR that is either european or japanese.fuck that truck and suv shit, they can suck my fuckin dick. if i wanted to haul my hockey gear to a game that was up a 15km gravel road id brng a an audi rs4 avant or a subaru wrx wagon with leather interior and a mother fuckin navi system. fuck that truck bullshit, i dont need that shit in my life...im a fuckin city boy.


ill never buy an american car in my life, and i know alot of "imports" are manufactured in NA, but it dosnt matter because japanese engineers and european engineers kno how to do their shit and keeep it real

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Spoon

Yeah old Gm interiors are shit, but go take a look at the Vette, CTS, STS or SRX they have really improved. Can't decide between Audi A4 Avante or Acura TSX for my next car. Still kinda liking rice.

my dad has a 04 silverdrao king cab which is a 55k truck with the navi system and its still a piece of shit when you look at the interior. the buttons are seriously like fishecher price and it rides like fuckin shit in the city(and 90% of these fuckers on this board are city kids who dont work jobs which require an suv/truck.)



id go with the tsx or the TL becuase im favouring both those cars if i cant afford the the 330ci(which i probably wont when my shit i paid off like 4 years from now...fuckin sociology major.)

p.s by king cab i mean the shit with four doors..not the shit you get at dpe ass surf and turb places with ther melted butter and shit..that shit is dope man.........fuck....

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Spoon

Yeah old Gm interiors are shit, but go take a look at the Vette, CTS, STS or SRX they have really improved. Can't decide between Audi A4 Avante or Acura TSX for my next car. Still kinda liking rice.

I'd take Sauerkraut over Rice anyday.

[whoriental]

i want a late 90s model mits eclipse.. i dont really like the new bodies.. kinda boxy, but thas jus me

[CodaDrummer]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

yo homeboy...we are strilling tlaking about pick up truck here, which is why the american companies have their heads up their asses...i dotn give a fuck if they build a high 12 second pickup because its still a fuckin pice of shit pick up..im from the fuckin city like 90% of the mother fuckers who live in north america...fuck pick ups they are fuckin bullshit unless your construction boy bill or hillbilly fred.

for a mother fucker like me..i want osmehting fast, that can go around the turns without fishtailijgng like some asshole from the midwest designd it..fuck that union midwest shit..i want the union euro or japnese shit, those mother fuckers make good CARS. i dont nedd no fuckin pickuup with 500hp but a car with 500hp would be nice, dont waste my time with this redneck shit. i want smehting that goes fast, turns fastm, is comfortable, reliable, luxurious, and fast as fuck, and when you look at those subjects the only answere is a CAR that is either european or japanese.fuck that truck and suv shit, they can suck my fuckin dick. if i wanted to haul my hockey gear to a game that was up a 15km gravel road id brng a an audi rs4 avant or a subaru wrx wagon with leather interior and a mother fuckin navi system. fuck that truck bullshit, i dont need that shit in my life...im a fuckin city boy.


ill never buy an american car in my life, and i know alot of "imports" are manufactured in NA, but it dosnt matter because japanese engineers and european engineers kno how to do their shit and keeep it real

Hahah. "i want osmehting fast, that can go around the turns without fishtailijgng".
You're a fuckin bad driver if every North American car you have driven fishtails around corners... ever thought of that "city boy"?

American companies have their heads up their asses because they design and build pickups?

So is there someone forcing you to buy a pickup or an SUV? If you have the money for a WRX Wagon, it's probably time to visit the Subaru dealership, eh?

It's a waste of time discussing this with someone like you. European fan boy with no idea what he's talking about. If you really knew anything at all, you wouldn't have this kind of disrespect.

[*gorgeous*]

.i want a 2002 911 turbo porsche... but i drive a lovely dark blue 1987 K car.

[DJ_Coastal]

soon this will be mine! MUWAHAHA! MITSUBISHI GT 3000! But wanting a BMW M3.. ><"

[mapleleaf4ever]

So I got 226 km out of my ~33 litre tank... you do the Math... I don't want to, I might cry.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

So I got 226 km out of my ~33 litre tank... you do the Math... I don't want to, I might cry.

14.6 Litre / 100KM

@ .85 / Litre

it costs u $12.41 to drive just 100KM

keep a box of tissues on the front seat

[mapleleaf4ever]

lol awww shit... Good thing I "borrowed" some 100 Octane AVGAS from work instead of paying for some crap Gas.

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

lol awww shit... Good thing I "borrowed" some 100 Octane AVGAS from work instead of paying for some crap Gas.

Basically your engine wasn't designed to use that octane of gas and is having problem, e.g. your shitty gas milage. If you have sometime here is why




*** This info is very basic, there is alot more to it than this but I think this should give a basic understanding. ***


Controlling detonation is what you are worried about when it comes to octane, and there are a few things that cause detonation, compression ratio, ignition timing, and A/F mixture.

Compression ratio is relatively constant so you have to base the octane you use on that, since the higher the compression the faster the fuel burns, making the engine more prone to detonation. Octane helps control the burn rate of the fuel which changes the length of time the it takes to burn the fuel, more octane = slower burn rate.

Ignition timing of course determins when the fuel starts burning to build cylinder pressure and create the power needed to spin the motor. It is very critical that the peak cylinder pressure during combustion happens at a precise time (right after TDC) to make the most power possible. Peak too soon (timing advanced too far casuing detonation) and you slow the piston as it is still on its way to TDC putting unwanted stress on the rotating assembly and decreasing the amount of combustion power to push the piston back down. Peak too late and you miss the optimal force to push the piston down the hardest making less power.

Runing too lean will cause detonation also, but I think we all know that so I won't go into that.



So now put it to practical use.

My B18B1 currently has 9.2:1 static compression and ignition timing advaced to 19 degrees BTDC (stock is 14-18 deg. BTDC) which works fine on 87 octane, no detonation. If I were to run higher octane I would have to advance my timing even more to get peak cylinder pressure where it is now and lengthening the time the fuel has to burn before it leaves the cylinder.

If I was to install the P30 pistons I have sitting on the shelf I would be at 11.1:1 static compression. So my 87 octane fuel would burn faster than before and cause detonation due to cylinder pressure peaking too soon. Now I would have to retard my timing if I want to stay with 87 octane fuel, but this will reduce the amount of time the fuel has to burn before it gets pushed out in the exhaust stroke. If I use higher octane I can advance my timing again, allowing more time for the fuel to burn and still reach peak cylinder pressure at the desired time.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

14.6 Litre / 100KM

@ .85 / Litre

it costs u $12.41 to drive just 100KM

keep a box of tissues on the front seat

thats ruff..ive gotten mileage that bad on short stints in my car (based on the trip computer in my car) but i was going 190km/h, but it cost me more then $12.41 cuz i was paying 1.01 a litre...fuck

[djalto]

i gots me an 88 civic hb

me wants a 93 RX7 twin turbs...mmm...rotary

[meth0dical]

wanted:
r34 skyline (yea right.)
240sx with s15 sr20det TURBO engine swap... mmmmm jdm! :)

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Spoon

Basically your engine wasn't designed to use that octane of gas and is having problem, e.g. your shitty gas milage. If you have sometime here is why

Actually I'm aware of the Timing Issues etc... those figures I posted were on a full tank of 87 Octane. With the 100 Octane I do get about 50 km more than that. I have smoother idling and better acceleration as well. Aviation Gas is also formulated just for Carburetted Engines which is convenient as I'm Carb'd too.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

lol awww shit... Good thing I "borrowed" some 100 Octane AVGAS from work instead of paying for some crap Gas.

dude
that's 100LL
low lead
but still lead
whales r dying cuz of u ;-)

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by Spoon

Basically your engine wasn't designed to use that octane of gas and is having problem, e.g. your shitty gas milage. If you have sometime here is why




*** This info is very basic, there is alot more to it than this but I think this should give a basic understanding. ***


Controlling detonation is what you are worried about when it comes to octane, and there are a few things that cause detonation, compression ratio, ignition timing, and A/F mixture.

Compression ratio is relatively constant so you have to base the octane you use on that, since the higher the compression the faster the fuel burns, making the engine more prone to detonation. Octane helps control the burn rate of the fuel which changes the length of time the it takes to burn the fuel, more octane = slower burn rate.

Ignition timing of course determins when the fuel starts burning to build cylinder pressure and create the power needed to spin the motor. It is very critical that the peak cylinder pressure during combustion happens at a precise time (right after TDC) to make the most power possible. Peak too soon (timing advanced too far casuing detonation) and you slow the piston as it is still on its way to TDC putting unwanted stress on the rotating assembly and decreasing the amount of combustion power to push the piston back down. Peak too late and you miss the optimal force to push the piston down the hardest making less power.

Runing too lean will cause detonation also, but I think we all know that so I won't go into that.



So now put it to practical use.

My B18B1 currently has 9.2:1 static compression and ignition timing advaced to 19 degrees BTDC (stock is 14-18 deg. BTDC) which works fine on 87 octane, no detonation. If I were to run higher octane I would have to advance my timing even more to get peak cylinder pressure where it is now and lengthening the time the fuel has to burn before it leaves the cylinder.

If I was to install the P30 pistons I have sitting on the shelf I would be at 11.1:1 static compression. So my 87 octane fuel would burn faster than before and cause detonation due to cylinder pressure peaking too soon. Now I would have to retard my timing if I want to stay with 87 octane fuel, but this will reduce the amount of time the fuel has to burn before it gets pushed out in the exhaust stroke. If I use higher octane I can advance my timing again, allowing more time for the fuel to burn and still reach peak cylinder pressure at the desired time.

that's not a post
it's an essay
but good 2 know

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

dude
that's 100LL
low lead
but still lead
whales r dying cuz of u ;-)

lol I know it's Low Lead, it's Ethylene Lead if you want to get picky about it... I pump that shit out by the 1000's of Litres a Day. You don't want to know what's in Jet A. Let's just say that shit will kill a lot more than just Whales. (Most likely me in the next 30 years)

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

lol I know it's Low Lead, it's Ethylene Lead if you want to get picky about it... I pump that shit out by the 1000's of Litres a Day. You don't want to know what's in Jet A. Let's just say that shit will kill a lot more than just Whales. (Most likely me in the next 30 years)

oh it's just ethylene lead
i feel much better now
just didn't want u 2 kill off my dinner
whale sushi = good

[jomama]

own: bus fare

wish: nissan 300zx or mitsu 3000gt

[~Snaps~]

Own : 95 Integra

Wish: 2005 Chevy Cobalt Coupe SS

[SEAN!]

OWN: 04 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V w/mods(its a fuckin mouth full i tell yah)

Want: turbocharged ferrari 360 modena(for fun) & 05 Benz E55 AMG(for commuting)

[cutienikki]

i have an 85 toyota corolla special edition :p i love that thing! it definatly suits me :)


wish:

2004 volkswagon beetle....or gti....or my fave of all a mini cooper :p

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

Actually I'm aware of the Timing Issues etc... those figures I posted were on a full tank of 87 Octane. With the 100 Octane I do get about 50 km more than that. I have smoother idling and better acceleration as well. Aviation Gas is also formulated just for Carburetted Engines which is convenient as I'm Carb'd too.

Yeah your right, only been working with fuel injected engines for too long. Way to many import guys have no idea what makes an engine work. With all the Civics you see you would think vinyl adds 50hp and sounding like a lawnmower is cool.