Gay marriages

[nuf_dawg]

are you gay?

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Which is why the bible is CLEARLY fiction.
But that is another discussion all on it's own.

Mark, instead of picking each post apart bit by bit and commenting on our debating style, how about you actually DEBATE? If you are such a skilled debater, you should know that it's about the TOPIC and not how it's discussed. And FYI, this ENTIRE discussion/argument/debate is always just going to go around in circles until someone gives in - and I guarantee it won't be those in favour of same-sex marriages. As it has already been stated, over time society as a whole has become more and more accepting of the right to vote, the right to marry inter-racially and inter-religiously, the right to be gay, etc.. It's only a matter of time before the general consensus of Canadians in favour of same-sex marriages rises from 65% upward. Granted, there will always be the ignorant fools who think it's wrong (probably because they are closet cases themselves...ever seen American Beauty? Prime example, while supposedly fictional, this kind of thing happens all the time - usually minus the killing, though.), but eventually it will be regarded on the same level as inter-racial dating and marriage. But you wouldn't understand because you're probably against that, too.

i applaud.
karrrrrrrrrrma.

[wum]

MARRIAGE IS SLOWLY DYING IN SCANDINAVIA. A majority of children in Sweden and Norway are born out of wedlock. Sixty percent of first-born children in Denmark have unmarried parents. Not coincidentally, these countries have had something close to full gay marriage for a decade or more.

[...]

More precisely, it has further undermined the institution. The separation of marriage from parenthood was increasing; gay marriage has widened the separation. Out-of-wedlock birthrates were rising; gay marriage has added to the factors pushing those rates higher. Instead of encouraging a society-wide return to marriage, Scandinavian gay marriage has driven home the message that marriage itself is outdated, and that virtually any family form, including out-of-wedlock parenthood, is acceptable.

[...]

http://24.104.4.225/Content/Public/A...3/660zypwj.asp

[m0e]

Wow...

Wum, you have Limbaugh and Coulter rhetoric shoved so far up your ass that I'd swear to god you're gay!

I mean that in the most tolerant way possible...
:P

And bigotry doesn't lead to social disintegration... Never :P

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by automatic

yes, the simple fact, is that most canadians, by a slim majority support same sex marriage, and if you look at the poll, since the younger a person is, the more likely they are to support it, it seems likely that support will continue to rise, not fall, as it seems to me at least, more likely a generational support (from the 60's generation on) than an opinion that will change as people grow older.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marz.htm

The simple fact is that most canadians, by slim majority know nothing of what their grandparents say to them at the dinner table. In fact, less and less people actually eat at the table. Less and less people seem to like the idea of the word marriage defining man and woman...eating at the table???is that good or bad???

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by mugsy

hang on.
how is it that people of two different religious beliefes can be married, can take vows, in fact even have two seperate weddings, each with its own sacred ceremony, but gays cant get married at all?
its offensive that the christain religion will allow murders and rapiest into their heaven if the commiters of the crime apologize, and accept christ. this high and mighty god can forgive someone for brutally murdering a child, yet wouldnt allow love to be sanctified?
sounds fucked up to me.

I have been forced to schpeel;P
I think it has something to do with people morally knowing that ass-fucking is just a distorted interpretation of the human sex drive. Just like incest is, or monkey love. But hey now, I'm sure that hypocritical fucking MARKS couldn't make the relation. Incestual relationships involve true "love", what's stopping you guys from saying that incestual marriages shouldn't be shunned. Surely scientific evidence couldn't help you in this case, as it also can't in the debate over same sex marriages. You're all just a bunch of callow idiotic rambling ravers if you disagree.....

If we allow same-sex "marriages" to allow "free love", than why are we so hypocritical towards the idea of incest. Same shit?....what....did that hit a fucking nerve? Is something telling you that that is morally wrong?! The word marriage should be thrown all-over the place, like a dirty rag, why not marry your dog? If you love you dog, and he loves you? WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM MARRYING! Oh, the law??? But what is law if not a means of a regulation of life???? Marrying your brother wouldn't hurt anyone! In fact, if I had a brother and I wanted to marry him, legally our relationship should be equal to that of any other couple. Hopefully, when there are enough fucked up incestual people that come out and have incest parades brother and sisters can get MARRIED! But until then, and trust me, gay marriage is a gateway drug, they'll just sit back and be supressed :( According to you "vote yessers", love defines marriage, THATS BULLSHIT. MARRIAGE IS MORE THAN LOVe. IT IS A HUMAN "PENIS" FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY, GOING IN AND OUT OF A FEMALE HUMAN "PusssVAGINA" ALSO FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY. IF YOU WANT TO BEND THE RULES MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING WORD, DON'T GET "MARRIED", OR GO ALL THE WAY AND MAKE INCESTUAL MARRIAGE LEGAL TOO!! HYPOCRITICAL fucks?? oh please.

Why can't they make a different word and leave people be? They can have the rights to be united, but spare the sacred word for people who still believe in a world that makes boundaries to prevent influx of rituals that make people as classy as "dogs" or any other "animal"


PS It's 4am and I can't fall asleep, he snores so LOUD! I should trade him in for a hot girl, and get love-tied*.....

PPS My most adorable dog was fed something "wrong" and the smell is making me want to die.........how do you sleep in this madness?

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

The simple fact is that most canadians, by slim majority know nothing about morals.

I know a lot about morals. And hating people for no reason is immoral. The bible in original Hebrew text says nothing about homo sexuality.

This is not to say I think they should let gay people get married. That's just totally a fucking stupid Idea if I ever heard one.But I think straight people should also be banned from doing something as stupid as marriage also.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by automatic

there is a goddamned straight parade, it's called "every parade except the pride one" or if you really want to get technical and define parade as "a street carnival with entertainment" and "straight pride" as "a celebration of heterosexuality" then the "straight pride parade" is every saturday night on granvilele street. be there.

That's bunk... for many reasons.

BTW ask me in person about what happened when I was trying to apply for a heterosexuals parade.

[lou_belle]

Tell my grandpa that sacred the act of painfully farting out cum on the toilet and gently inserting a hunk of plastic in your vagina calls for the use of the word "marriage" to define their relationship. It's a different view altogether, not to be dismissed.

PS My friends that are supurbly gay, this isn't supposed to be offensive, I think you guys are tha bomb! and I would be SOOOO HAPPY!!!!! to go to one of your weddings, and could only wish that you totally find true love!*muah! As far as this debate goes, it' only my legal views on the WORD, because I like to take changes with caution:) That's not to say that even if the word marriage was legally indifferent, you couldn't use it in everyday life;P

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Tell my grandpa that sacred the act of painfully farting out cum on the toilet and gently inserting a hunk of plastic in your vagina calls for the use of the word "marriage" to define their relationship. It's a different view altogether, not to be dismissed.

This is not about fucking, it's about two people loving each other and having a life together.

PS I know a lot of straight people with cum dripping out there ass. Want a photo of chick with an anal cream pie?

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by nuf_dawg

are you gay?

No. Just very passionate when it comes to the issue of equal rights.
Some of my best friends that I love and cherish happen to be gay, and I believe that they have the right to be happy no matter what gender the partner they love is.

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Marrying your brother wouldn't hurt anyone!

Go ahead and marry your brother, see if I care!

The only problem I have with incestual relationships is REPRODUCTION.
Here's a real FACT for you: it is extremely likely that children who are a product incest will have severe birth defects including brian damage and physical defects.

So, IMO, if you want to marry your brother/cousin/whoever, go right ahead, just don't take the chance of producing a child with birth defects. That's like drinking or doing drugs while you know you're pregnant - sure, there is a very slim chance that your baby will come out unscathed, but it's stupid to risk it.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by galaxie

So, IMO, if you want to marry your brother/cousin/whoever, go right ahead, just don't take the chance of producing a child with birth defects. That's like drinking or doing drugs while you know you're pregnant - sure, there is a very slim chance that your baby will come out unscathed, but it's stupid to risk it.

Just look at her, she know this first hand.

[galaxie]

^ ha ha ha :moon:

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

That's bunk... for many reasons.

BTW ask me in person about what happened when I was trying to apply for a heterosexuals parade.

I wanna hear it :)

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I have been forced to schpeel;P
I think it has something to do with people morally knowing that ass-fucking is just a distorted interpretation of the human sex drive.

So what? I know lots of straight couples that engage in that and much more fucked up things but no one gives a shit about that. But as long as both people are cool w/ it then who are you to say what sex acts are "morally" ok.

Originally Posted by lou_belle

The word marriage should be thrown all-over the place, like a dirty rag. Why can't they make a different word and leave people be? They can have the rights to be united, but spare the sacred word for people who still believe in a world that makes boundaries to prevent influx of rituals that make people as classy as "dogs" or any other "animal"

I can't believe how upset you are over a fucking word that straight people have been shiting on for years.

As for the karma comment. There have been at least 3 other threads on this topic. I have posted in every one of them till I was blue in the face. To be honest I just really don't care anymore.

It scares me that of all the things going on in the world this is what really gets people upset.

[wum]

Originally Posted by m0e

And bigotry doesn't lead to social disintegration... Never :P

but "tolerance" of everything under the sun does

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Well why not? Yes I did say it in jest, but what would be the problem? Everyone has the right to be proud of who they are so long as they don't take away other groups rights to do the same/or the ability for that group to remain authentic and distinct. There should be a White History Month, that's a great idea! Why not a Black, Asain, Native and East Indian History Month too while you're at it, this is Canada (any other ethnic groups not mentioned, boo hoo, you can have your month too, but this is the main Canadian demography that I have experienced so yeah, see I can be PC too)! The point is to remain autonomous and authentic, while in solidarity.

I encourage any group to go have a parade if they really wanted it. A lot of people would be offended if anyone ever actually started a White History Month. Pretty much what we study in history classes in North America is white history. Now that I think about it though, a heterosexual parade might not be as offensive. You could always argue that the issue of offending people is the exact same as the issue of offending people involved in having a gay pride parade. Hmm, yeah I'm not too sure about this.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Marriage has long been defined the union of Man and Woman. For those that hold this belief dear, it matters because it's disrespectful as it catagorizes the emotional bonds between man and woman as being the same as though it were between a man and man or woman and woman. All these types of love our different, as I'm sure you can attest. In tramples on faiths as in many religions the homosexual act is immoral, and to mix it's defintion with something as sacred as marriage is absurd. It HAS to be a religious issue BECAUSE IT WAS A RELIGIOUS ISSUE FIRST!

Wow k. First of all, what's wrong with being in the same category as same-sex relationships? If religious people can't handle it, too bad. I was always taught to live and let live in Catholic school. They should really follow their own advice. Also, I agree with Rytalin on this, religion has always trampled on the gay community. It's also very likely that religion did NOT precede homosexuality. Do you really think there was such a thing as organized religion when early man existed? I seriously doubt that. I mean look at the Greco-Roman empires, I don't the history very well, but I'm sure they weren't against homosexuality or bisexuality. It wasn't until the Catholic church took over that things like these became a major issue. Plus, come on, religion said it first?? Did the Bible say that?? Does God exist because the Bible says so?

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Yes I agree, religions shouldn't force the choices of how we are to express ourselves, but this is exactly what the homosexual movement is doing to the heterosexuals out there that feel passionate about their bond to the opposite sex. I am one of them. I have no problem with you being gay, go do that and enjoy yourself, but you have no right to take away our expression of this vow. I'm all for you to have the same legal rights, but with this you push your morals on us, and to think you claim to have a problem with the church as you push your dogmas on this society much as they do.

This is a classic heterosexual complaint. Gay people push their morals on straight people? You wouldn't believe how many guys have actually offered to pay hookers to "convert" me, and "make me normal again." I have NEVER heard (other than jokingly) of a gay guy trying to do anything like that with a straight guy. This isn't about the gay community pushing their dogmas on society and forcing it on everyone, it's about the gay community lobbying for their rights and acceptance.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Why can't I live on the west end, listen to deep house, watch Will and Grace, and spongebob, and talk in a lisp without being view as gay huh? You guys took purple too!

I don't think you can blame gay stereotypes on gay people. Blame the person who sees someone with these qualities and immediately think that other person is gay.

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Bullshit, this is like the kid that went through highschool being a dork, became a cop, and had a huge ego trip thereafter.

Hmm except this cop probably still fears being the only cop in a room full of say, lawyers; fears walking down the street together with another cop friend; can't legally be together with said cop friend; and has to live with the fact that his being a cop will always be an issue.

Yup, this cop's going on a HUGE ego trip.

[lou_belle]

So galaxie, in your world of equality, where do you draw your line???? Do ugly people get equal rights? Do people marry their dogs? I already know your opinion on fathers marrying daughters....as long as they have a vesectomy :P

Why can't ugly people be introduced into the dictionary as "beautiful"? I mean honestly, they are beautiful in their own way. Different, but still, we should vote and bring new meaning to the "out-dated term"?

Really, that's what this whole debate is about? A term that gay people feel is out dated on the grounds of equality? A word that many people would agree gay coupling had nothing to do with when it was created and now they want a piece;P

If the vote was for gay couples to have rights like those held in marriage but with a word with a meaning of same-sex, the debate would be settled.

EQUAL RIGHTS.....no bullshit;P

Insestual unions should have a different name too.....this is to be able to see the difference when growing up. I know that you might disagree, but it would make it much more apparent to the world that gay people have the same rights and yet are still different;P

[galaxie]

You're missing my point completely.
I am completely against the creation of a "new word" for same-sex unions because the real issue is NOT the word. The real issue here is homophobes trying to delay the legalization of any same-sex union. Like I have already said, the whole word debate is a scapegoat.

And btw, beautiful:

beau·ti·ful ( P ) Pronunciation Key (byt-fl)
adj.

1. Having qualities that delight the senses, especially the sense of sight.
2. Excellent; wonderful.

It's not just about appearance - people ARE considered beautiful both inside and out. Beauty is subjective.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Tell my grandpa that sacred the act of painfully farting out cum on the toilet and gently inserting a hunk of plastic in your vagina calls for the use of the word "marriage" to define their relationship. It's a different view altogether, not to be dismissed.

contrary to popular beleif fags and dykes are not the only ones who use sex toys and take it in the crapper.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Mark, instead of picking each post apart bit by bit and commenting on our debating style, how about you actually DEBATE? If you are such a skilled debater, you should know that it's about the TOPIC and not how it's discussed.

Debate:

2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.

It's actually about both, but for you to omit that is not surprising. A debate stops being debate when fallacy comes into the fold, but seeing how completely out of step you are to this linguistic FACT, I don't doubt you have your other facts all tied up in a knot. It's really too bad, what a waste of passion.

Originally Posted by galaxie

And FYI, this ENTIRE discussion/argument/debate is always just going to go around in circles until someone gives in - and I guarantee it won't be those in favour of same-sex marriages.

That's a fallacy when points have been ignored, it's called circular arguing and that's what auto did to nullify his point about disability which still you haven't addressed. And until you do it's safe to assume that you aswell also admit defeat, and I can almost get out of this annoying bleeding heart thread, seeing how others aren't being as stubborn as you 2.

Originally Posted by galaxie

As it has already been stated, over time society as a whole has become more and more accepting of the right to vote, the right to marry inter-racially and inter-religiously, the right to be gay, etc.. It's only a matter of time before the general consensus of Canadians in favour of same-sex marriages rises from 65% upward.

Yeah Canada is an experiment to merge all cultures into a big shit mix (that's the cold hearted reality of it), a melting pot. It makes no difference if you bleeding hearts don't understand this, the destruction of the diversity of the human genetic pool with a grey race alone on the sake of disease is something we can't undo when done, and it will spell the end of humanity come the next plague. Breaking up the family unit is another step. I can't believe how you can be so blind to this, it's the next generations who will suffer in the end. You only focus on the positive,and riding the wave of death without any comprehension that this is actually self destruction.

Just go look up melting pot, I've made it easy for even you, just click the pretty little underlined link. I know what you're thinking, it's too bad the line can't be swiggly though huh? Awwwww. Swiggly lines should also be called straight, they have a right too you know!

Originally Posted by galaxie

Granted, there will always be the ignorant fools who think it's wrong (probably because they are closet cases themselves...ever seen American Beauty? Prime example, while supposedly fictional, this kind of thing happens all the time - usually minus the killing, though.), but eventually it will be regarded on the same level as inter-racial dating and marriage. But you wouldn't understand because you're probably against that, too.

Yeah, bring up a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE to strengthen your already failing arguement! HAHA! You've just dug such a huge hole I can't believe you'd make it so easy. YES I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU PEOPLE CAN BE HAPPY ABOUT THE ALREADY MERGING MELTING POT. Have fun circular arguing, as far as I'm concerned, your points have all been proven moot, and until you unproove these with TRUE strategic debate and COUNTER my points, you have lost.

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by galaxie

I'm all for it.

If you don't like the definition of marriage, don't get married. But everyone SHOULD have the option.

i agree fully

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^hello hi!*meant for markpaul*

so like turns out all the countries in the world have been ruled by one or more different countries since the dawn of time. So turns out this so called "melting pot" and "grey race" has been happening since the dawn of time.
Look at Italy,look at the phillipines,look at France,look here look there look everywhere. This so called "melting pot" is not only indigenous to canada eh!

so like yah and stuff...or something.

oh and markpaul,what makes you think that you are not a part of this "grey race" ? hmmmm?

[wum]

wow, we've really lost our compass as a society. As has been said before, there are things in this world that have intrinsic value that has been understood and handed down through the generations. These have been our morals and our "rules" for living.

Through this steady cultural war of attrition, we are no longer ruled by Divinity, but like animals, by our urges. Suddenly, judgement is with-held, and everything becomes "subjective." Indeed, the only rule seems to be that if it stirrs the loins, go for it.

It's bad enough that a lot of University students can't tell the difference between a man and a woman anymore, but now they advocate things like "sexual exploration" (with same sex partners) in a Women's Study course because it leads to greater "liberation."

For the more radical bunch, they teach that hetero-relationships are inherently "oppressive" and lesbian ones are "pure." What was once good is now bad, and what was bad is now good. Go relativism!

But that's nothing compared to this crowning achievement :) : "NAMBLA's goal is to end the oppression of men and boys who have mutually consensual relationships."

Oh look, they used your favorite buzzwords! Tolerance and Equality for all!

To re-iterate, in this backwards world we live in: social disintegration = "progress"

Let the Liberal flaming commence in 3... 2... 1...

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by galaxie

You're missing my point completely.
I am completely against the creation of a "new word" for same-sex unions because the real issue is NOT the word. The real issue here is homophobes trying to delay the legalization of any same-sex union. Like I have already said, the whole word debate is a scapegoat.

So you are completely against the creation of a new word....and yet I am completely missing your point??

No one should be completely against anything that hasn't been tried. I think that if there was a stronger understanding that the word actually does affect people's decisions on the vote....then a new word would be the answer.

I totally didn't miss anything you said, including your "name-calling"....(ignorant rednecks?)......of people who don't want the word marriage to be used for homosexual relationships. I think me calling you annoying is in context to your unescessary dirty politics:P Oh yeah...and I haven't gotten emotional throughout this whole debate, just frustrated at the idiocy of denying one sides rights while enriching the other:)

So.....this whole time you didn't even know what my solution to the issue was? It was "rephrasing" the vote, for equality to appeal to both sides.