Gay marriages

[lou_belle]

My guy wouldn't cheat on me because I let him "cheat". I think I live in a bubble, cuz no-one can understand me, but it's my perfect bubble:) Then, all I have to worry about is him becoming abusive, which? is highly unlikely since he thinks I'm his goddess. LOVe.

OH MY GOD IM A VIRGO CAN YOU TELL?

[galaxie]

^ You let him cheat?
As in, fuck other girls?
Wow.....that's, well, messed up.

[wum]

the man makes the house, and the woman makes the home

[galaxie]

^ Maybe about 50+ years ago.

[NinjaBoy]

If the big problem is with the sanctity of marriage being lost, how come nobody cares what happend to easter or christmas?

People are saying that the problem is they don't want marriage being associated with gay people because that takes away from what it's supposed to be....

[wum]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ Maybe about 50+ years ago.

you don't have to take it negatively. woman usually set the emotional atmosphere of most households, men are pretty dumb when it comes to that stuff.

[galaxie]

^ Granted.
What I meant is that it's not the standard that men be the breadwinner and women be the housekeeper anymore.

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

2. Keep in mind that Canada and the United States WERE founded on religious grounds, that the idea of a secular society is just an ideal (although both socities have spent the last couple hundred years progressing towards that) but the fundamental values in both socities are that people have freedom to believe what they want, and do what they want (within reason). I suppose some people can disagree with it, but they also can't condemn homosexuals from doing what they want. If you want to use religion as your backup, then go right ahead, but remember your religion also preaches TOLERANCE of people as well.

i'm not one to condemn (i like that word ). as i said, i'm not the judge. i'm all about tolerance. but the point is tolerance works both ways. yeah, the church has done some rotten things. most christians that trully follow the scriptures (and contrary to what people seem to believe, they still have the originals, and accurate translation is a big thing nowadays) will be the first to point out their imperfect humanity. but christian suffer persecution back, specially on this "must secularize everything" age we live in. many institutions were built in partnership with the church, so separating them will be very tricky, and people should be sensitive to that fact.
if you want to make the state completely secular, go for it. but if you're trying to avoid steping on some toes, try staying off all of them.
i believe every person is created equal, it's a our choices that sets us appart.

[wum]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ Granted.
What I meant is that it's not the standard that men be the breadwinner and women be the housekeep anymore.

i guess, but don't you think it would be good for there to be a parent to stay home with the kids? I know a lot of kids that would really like to hang out with their mom :)

[miss.myra]

^ dad too.

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

If the big problem is with the sanctity of marriage being lost, how come nobody cares what happend to easter or christmas?

People are saying that the problem is they don't want marriage being associated with gay people because that takes away from what it's supposed to be....

i refuse to partake in any pagan overtunes associated with chrismas and easter time.
i don't like the christmas trees, i don't like santa, i don't like the easter bunny, and i'm not big a fan of chocolate eggs to start with.
even the gift giving that started with the three wise kings presenting Christ with gifts has been perverted by mass consumerism. i only partake in that tradition if i find something someone very close will appreciate.

bring back the sanctity yo

[wum]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

^ dad too.

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver. A woman on the other hand is more attuned to that stuff. i mean that's how it's normally been done right?

i'm just saying

[Psycho_Laughs]

i guess i was lucky.

my mom was a stay at home mom, but my dad always made sure he came home for lunch everyday, so even if for a little while me and my brothers saw him during the day before he was done work.
perks of being the boss i guess.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver. A woman on the other hand is more attuned to that stuff. i mean that's how it's normally been done right?

i'm just saying

Workaholicism is the disease that runs in my family. I saw some of mom, but seriously like NONE of dad growing up. He worked so damn hard that he retired in his 40's, but died in his early 50's. There are lots of things dad can offer that mom can't, and people need those things just as much. I totally missed out, and some people do even more, and that's a shame.

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Workaholicism is the disease that runs in my family. I saw some of mom, but seriously like NONE of dad growing up. He worked so damn hard that he retired in his 40's, but died in his early 50's. There are lots of things dad can offer that mom can't, and people need those things just as much. I totally missed out, and some people do even more, and that's a shame.

my dad was a workaholic too, and i think if we didn't move out of brazil the stress would've killed him by now, literally. i still worry about when his temper flares, cause i'm afraid he might have a heart attack.
and you're totally right myra. both parents are very important. i'm so sorry you didn't get that much time with your dad.

[miss.myra]

^ S'ok. I can't say I didn't leave the experience with anything because he did teach me a lot, but I still had so many questions to ask :)

[Psycho_Laughs]

i know this is going to sound really tacky, and preachy, but don't forget you still do have another dad that loves you.
maybe ask him some questions?

and you helped me remember to appreciate my dad a lot more.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by wum

i guess, but don't you think it would be good for there to be a parent to stay home with the kids? I know a lot of kids that would really like to hang out with their mom :)

Ideally, having both parents in the house all the time would be great. But realistically, it's not going to happen.

I do want to spend a lot of my time with my kids, as does my boyfriend. We have chosen our career paths based on what we enjoy, and how much time we will be able to spend with the family. I am going into journalism (go figure?) which will allow me to work from home. My boyfriend is studying to be a teacher, giving him a shortened work day (8:30am - 4:00pm usually) and summers, winter break and spring break off. However, not everyone can have jobs that are flexible, and these days it is extremely difficult for a family to live off of one income.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I'm engaged to be married. And we were talking about my beliefs of marriage, how I would NEVER get a divorce, no matter what. If my husband has an addiction, I'll help him through it, if my man became abusive, I would deal with it. But this is all based on my man really? I mean, I can't speak for everyone:)

dont breed k?if you did your childrens views would be so fucking slanted its not even funny. The world does not need anymore fucktards then it already has.

[NinjaBoy]

Pshyco_Laughs, It's always good to see your replies to these subjects. I really enjoy them because they are always well thought out and you stick to your ideals.

[robyn]

Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver.

Hey, my stay at home dad can kick your dad's ass.

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Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver. A woman on the other hand is more attuned to that stuff. i mean that's how it's normally been done right?

i'm just saying

And if thats how its always been done, it muuuuust be right. I mean, human tradition has always been right, hasn't it? And the things that we've assumed were 'natural' have never been proved to be socially constructed or wrong, have they? I mean, am I right or am I right?

Oh, wait. Human history has proven all that shit wrong. Whoops.

[robyn]

Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver. A woman on the other hand is more attuned to that stuff. i mean that's how it's normally been done right?

i'm just saying

oh ps - that only became 'normal' around the turn of the century, and it's clearly on it's way out.

[dj_soo]

The "Nuclear Family" model was only implemented and encouraged in the 1950s to bolster population since a large chunk of the male population in America was decimated due to WWII.

So if by "that's the way it's always been done" you mean "that's the way it was done 50 years ago" then sure you're right. If you're trying to attatch some sort of natural law to social gender roles in marriages, then you have no idea what you're talking about.

[wum]

Originally Posted by robyn

oh ps - that only became 'normal' around the turn of the century, and it's clearly on it's way out.

Between men and women, women tend to have a greater mothering instinct. So if it comes down to having one parent at home, it's better to have the woman at home.