Gay marriages

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

And if thats how its always been done, it muuuuust be right. I mean, human tradition has always been right, hasn't it? And the things that we've assumed were 'natural' have never been proved to be socially constructed or wrong, have they? I mean, am I right or am I right?

Oh, wait. Human history has proven all that shit wrong. Whoops.

If anything is a "social construct" it's the Socialist Matrix that we live in today. My bulldyke Poli Sci professor who literally looks like the penguin was bragging about how she was giving her son a "gender neutral" upbringing by giving him dolls and I was immediately reminded of you

I'll argue that human tradition is deeply rooted in human nature, instilled from the Creator, and that the so-called "liberation" you're chasing only leads to greater dysfunction. Of course they probably never teach you that in your Women's Study course do they? How about the idea of Feminism coming straight from Marx?

[robyn]

Originally Posted by wum

Between men and women, women tend to have a greater mothering instinct.

What are you basing this on? Having my dad at home all the time and letting my mom be the corporate gangsta was awesome!

[wum]

Originally Posted by robyn

What are you basing this on? Having my dad at home all the time and letting my mom be the corporate gangsta was awesome!

operative word: tend

[robyn]

Originally Posted by wum

operative word: tend

That's a huge generalization. A lot of women also tend to have abortions, get their tubes tied and leave their babies in dumpsters.

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by wum

Of course they probably never teach you that in your Women's Study course do they? How about the idea of Feminism coming straight from Marx?

A) Never taken a women's studies course. Only political theory.

B) Feminism actually is rooted in the writings of Mary Wolstonecraft and John Stuart Mill, but thanks for playing! Marx's writings virtually ignore the issue of women, and Engles' attempt (the origin of private property, the family, and the state - 1884) is actually pretty weak.

[robyn]

Don't make me scan my 'origins of various types of feminism' chart. It's vast and I'll totally do it!

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I wouldn't marry a man that beat me.

As for my kid coming home from school with a black eye? I think you meant going to school with a black eye from his dad?

Actually what I meant was.........say you have a daughter, she grows up gets married. Turns out the man that you all thought was so rad actually beats her (it happens), in front of her kids. Would you just tell her to be a better wife? Make the bed? Try harder? Even if he had no desire to get help at all?

You may think it's better for the kids to stay together no matter what but I can tell you right now that is not always the case. I'd go into detail w/ this but I don't think you are worth the time.

No one gets married to a man that beats them. It usually doesn't come out for years. You clearly know nothing about this topic. You are w/ out a doubt one of the most naive people I have ever seen on here.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ You let him cheat?
As in, fuck other girls?
Wow.....that's, well, messed up.

Not when you're me.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps. Although i think men and women are made differently. a man needs his ego which he gets from his work and accomplishments, not being a caregiver. A woman on the other hand is more attuned to that stuff. i mean that's how it's normally been done right?

i'm just saying

It's so crazy, in Kazakstan my dad said all of the men there have no work and they are really depressed. They don't walk around with their chests out kind of thing, and everyone complains about the lack of work and jobs. The women there he said were smiling and socializing together. The guys were probably going through total providers withdrawal.

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Workaholicism is the disease that runs in my family. I saw some of mom, but seriously like NONE of dad growing up. He worked so damn hard that he retired in his 40's, but died in his early 50's. There are lots of things dad can offer that mom can't, and people need those things just as much. I totally missed out, and some people do even more, and that's a shame.

yeah, dad's are fun to jump and swing on when you're little:)

[wum]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Not when you're me.

just curious, but what's your reasoning behind this?

[miss.myra]

I'd find it very, very hard to share something that was 'mine' and call me old fashioned, but open marriages are kind of creepy to me.

Like, if you feel that way, don't get married.

(I'm sure will disagree, but that's just my opinion)

[wum]

i think lou_belle is all about keeping the hubby happy :)

[galaxie]

Does anyone else find it extremely ironic that lou_belle is preaching about the Bible and yet is going to have an open marriage? I wonder if "thou shalt not commit adultery" ever occurred to her.

Myra, I agree.
My husband, my family - stay the fuck out single bitches.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by wum

just curious, but what's your reasoning behind this?

I'm pretty sure it's like her reason for everything else - she is an idealist with very little sense of what *actually* happens.

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Does anyone else find it extremely ironic that lou_belle is preaching about the Bible and yet is going to have an open marriage? I wonder if "thou shalt not commit adultery" ever occurred to her.

what few people realise is that adultery according to the bible is any sex outside of marriage.
in the eyes of God, marriage is when two people become one flesh, aka sex. if you have sex with more than one partner that is adultery.
the only insidents in which divorce is allowed are due to sexual imorality.
widows are excused as well (actually encouraged to get married as soon as grieving is done).
i think she has one of those "window shopping" attitudes towards the bible (as in she'll pick what she likes and ignore what she doesn't).

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Pshyco_Laughs, It's always good to see your replies to these subjects. I really enjoy them because they are always well thought out and you stick to your ideals.

thanks, i try to show that things aren't so black and white... everyone here is so polarised on the extreme of their views.

and you bring out good points too.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by Psycho_Laughs

i think she has one of those "window shopping" attitudes towards the bible (as in she'll pick what she likes and ignore what she doesn't).

It sure seems that way to me.
This is one of the reasons I'm not religious - sure, I think lots of religions have some good ideas, but how could I say that I am Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Shinto, etc if I don't believe ALL of the teachings of one religion?

Many of my beliefs and personal morals are based on the ideas presented by Shintoism, but I would never call myself a Shintoist.

[wum]

i don't think lou_belle ever said she was a Bible follower...

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I have been forced to schpeel;P
I think it has something to do with people morally knowing that ass-fucking is just a distorted interpretation of the human sex drive. Just like incest is, or monkey love. But hey now, I'm sure that hypocritical fucking MARKS couldn't make the relation. Incestual relationships involve true "love", what's stopping you guys from saying that incestual marriages shouldn't be shunned. Surely scientific evidence couldn't help you in this case, as it also can't in the debate over same sex marriages. You're all just a bunch of callow idiotic rambling ravers if you disagree.....

If we allow same-sex "marriages" to allow "free love", than why are we so hypocritical towards the idea of incest. Same shit?....what....did that hit a fucking nerve? Is something telling you that that is morally wrong?! The word marriage should be thrown all-over the place, like a dirty rag, why not marry your dog? If you love you dog, and he loves you? WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM MARRYING! Oh, the law??? But what is law if not a means of a regulation of life???? Marrying your brother wouldn't hurt anyone! In fact, if I had a brother and I wanted to marry him, legally our relationship should be equal to that of any other couple. Hopefully, when there are enough fucked up incestual people that come out and have incest parades brother and sisters can get MARRIED! But until then, and trust me, gay marriage is a gateway drug, they'll just sit back and be supressed :( According to you "vote yessers", love defines marriage, THATS BULLSHIT. MARRIAGE IS MORE THAN LOVe. IT IS A HUMAN "PENIS" FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY, GOING IN AND OUT OF A FEMALE HUMAN "PusssVAGINA" ALSO FROM A DIFFERENT FAMILY. IF YOU WANT TO BEND THE RULES MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING WORD, DON'T GET "MARRIED", OR GO ALL THE WAY AND MAKE INCESTUAL MARRIAGE LEGAL TOO!! HYPOCRITICAL fucks?? oh please.

Why can't they make a different word and leave people be? They can have the rights to be united, but spare the sacred word for people who still believe in a world that makes boundaries to prevent influx of rituals that make people as classy as "dogs" or any other "animal"


PS It's 4am and I can't fall asleep, he snores so LOUD! I should trade him in for a hot girl, and get love-tied*.....

PPS My most adorable dog was fed something "wrong" and the smell is making me want to die.........how do you sleep in this madness?

incestual love is illeagal because there is a higher risk for children resulting from the relationship to be born with various disabilties and deformaties.

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by Psycho_Laughs

i still find it confusing that when we try to protect the rights of homosexuals we are being open minded, but when we try to protect the rights of christians we are being bigoted.

once again the whole argument comes to mind... yes i think homosexuality is wrong. will it stop me from being friends with a gay person. absolutly not. i'm not the judge.

i'm still friends with some wonderful gay/bi people, and the fact that i disagree with their life style choices does not mean i'll stop being friends with them. you people talk like you can't have friends with opposing political views from yourself, or different religion. i have friend from all walks of life.

but the point is that if their rights to live without being offended also apply to myself.

if the church and state are to be seperate then why does the state use terms that are derived from religious backing. marriage was not a state institution first, religious instintution second. it was the other way around. if the state version is not so holy anymore, it is still derived from religious backing, and has the undertone that the religious equivalent has.
to change the term to include a form of union that clearly contradicts the religious roots of the term is offencive.
you want to seperate chruch and state, and you're so pro change, then change the state terms that are derived from religious background.

on that note just like to say to all you church haters: God still loves you all, even if He really dislikes what you do... take the example.

Some people find it really difficult to associate with others who have differeing views than their own. I'm totally fine with people who are against homosexuality. They're free to do whatever they want. I hate to be seen as a GAY person. I'm a person. Being gay is just a part of me. It wasn't my choice, it's just my sexual preference.

When I meet people, I think the same way. I don't care if they're drug addicts, or from an extremely religious family, if they're cool and I get along with them, then great. I have friends who are religious and might be against homosexuality, but that doesn't stop us from hanging out and having fun. It's not a big deal at all. This is because they think of me as a person, and not as a gay guy.

I agree with your view that some people are against Christianity because they're anti this and anti that. Sorry if anything I said on here seemed like that. I don't actually hate religion. People should feel free to believe whatever they want to believe. I think extremists (I recently read of parents beating their kids "in the name of God") that always end up on headlines create this negative stigma on religious people. This isn't the truth. My whole family's religious, we have crucifixes, etc all over my house, and I don't get beat because I didn't do my homework or I don't go to church.

I might be jumping around here, I'm kinda tired. I am NOT against religion. I'm against people not letting others live.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by wum

i think lou_belle is all about keeping the hubby happy :)

You know if you're going to believe there is something very wrong with society being so open about all kinds of strange and narcassistic behaivour, then adultery CERTAINLY applies to that as well, and therefore according to your moral code is just as wrong as gay marriage.

Consistency, Mr Wumbles, consistency. :)

[wum]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

You know if you're going to believe there is something very wrong with society being so open about all kinds of strange and narcassistic behaivour, then adultery CERTAINLY applies to that as well, and therefore according to your moral code is just as wrong as gay marriage.

Consistency, Mr Wumbles, consistency. :)

I was trying to figure out lou_belle is all. Personally, i don't agree with it.

[miss.myra]

^ ah, phew. :)

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by wum

just curious, but what's your reasoning behind this?

Well, I think it's because I grew up being a tomboy. I always got along with the guys, or had mor fun with them. Girls would try to hang out with me, but I found that when there was more than just me hanging with the guys, I got the cold shoulder from my bros. I noticed the way guys didn't actually act like themselves around chicks, and honestly, guys are fuckin' G's when the girls are gone. I love being like another brother. Hanging with them my whole life, I saw the way guys just loved getting pussy. It doesn't matter if they are in a relationship or not, they constantly want to be able to say "Oh god, look at that nice round ass. That girl is asking for the ol' in out." I don't want my guy to feel like he can't be himself around me. So I join in. I can see that it makes every guy feel comfy just chillin' with me. I know I'm sexy, I don't need people to deny the fact that every girl is hot. In fact, that's the most exciting thing about being young. Hot ass girls. God, imagine if my guy was 40 years old after years of sexual suppression, and he felt like he missed out, because of me. That to me is reason enough to feel like ones life was a total let down on the entertainment side. It's all just entertainment to me. I know it doesn't mean he loves them. I don't need to be the center of my guys sexual fantasy. He can fantasize about whoever he likes. I just like being the dopest chika ever!! OF LIFE BIATCH?!