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when we were doing big trouble i'd only get paid if we had a big crowd, mainly cuz of the deal worked out with the owners (we get x amount of people in, we get x% each off door sales)...
had nothing to do with what we thought we were worth, because according to the club we were only worth what we could pull in. seems reasonable to me... they have to pull a business, we were there to help. so very often, mainly because i'm still new at this whole dj/promoter thing, i don't have much crowd pull, so i'd work a few times pro-bono. point is, a lot of us don't really have crowd leverage to go from. so you can bitch out those of us who'd work pro-bono every once in a while, but honestly, those of us with a day job may not necessarily be doing it for the money. just sayin'. 
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just jumped in this message board and I find this wicked post.
I thought it was bad in Toronto ... you guys are dealing with the shits! Saturated markets are bad but djs really should get paid on their pull and no self respecting promoter should be "not paying" for primetime sets. Also clubs make sales on booze, if you can bring in 20 people to their club you should be paid (here's the math 20 peeps x 5 beers x 6$ =$600). What about 100-200 people? bigger math. By not paying you promoters get the luxury of not taking a risk, they put it all on you. Its their job to PROMOTE and get the people there. If they are getting so-and-so dj just because they don't need to pay them that is a promoter being lazy! As a dj you should always get paid. If you're new unexperienced or whatever yeah you should be playing the shittier slots and making less, maybe cab fare/drinks. But if you are playing a jam that you are headlining or in primetime and they are charging at the door selling good amounts of booze and have people out ... what the fuck are you doing?? charge money!!! other people are making money off of you!! Most djs say I do it for the love and shit but you screw it up for others who love it so much that they want to make a full time job of it. The worst thing ever for a dj who truely loves what they do is having to show up to a day job the night after a show. Djs need to learn to be better business men/women and get people to pay for their skill/draw. for the new djs that say they have no crowd yet, its your job to build it. Think about it for a bit. Can you get 20 people out, close friends family whatever? Don't rely on the promoter, you have some pull ...
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I mean if one is just to just sit and bitch about not being paid for an event, its simply because they took it upon themself. The only contract they would have is there name on a god damn flyer. I'm not a DJ nor a promoter how ever I am doing some producing but what it all comes down to if your serious about getting paid for a gig then its all about getting down to business which involve's a contract's. No contract??? then your fucking yourself up the ass. If you can't get down to business and bargain and make a contract then keep dj'ing as a hobby and stick to your bedroom. The money is available. Just with the money made in concession's at some events are absolutely retarded and the profit is enormous.
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go look up the word 'hobbyist'. call it 'the love' or whatever you want. ultimately the dj is just playing background music. i'm sorry, but your whole post reeks of typical dj ego and it's one of the reasons i was so reluctant to start out in the first place. maybe i'm making excuses because i don't get as much pull as everybody else in the scene but honestly, i've seen some djs of notability perform some really awful sets. it kinda bugs me that a lot of people demand payment for such a subpar performance. but whatever, i'm not the one generating the cash so i have no say on where the cash goes. but seriously, ragging on those of us who don't always play for money seems just plain egotistical. i gotta do more shows in a t-shirt that says 'i play other people's music'.
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b0ld, we're more or less on the same page here. The point is that regardless of the odd hobby DJ here and there, there ARE aspiring 'career DJs' out there that lower their rates or play for free simply just to 'get out there' (effectively under-cutting any local talent that is charging any realistic amount). They figure that they will gain a little popularity that way, and then start charging reasonable rates. Unfortunately, this rarely, if ever happens. Next time around the promoter will likely ask the DJ to play for the same rate, or they will go find someone else who's free, thus perpetuating the cycle in a downward spiral.
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again, people are not paying the scrill to go to a club where a dj is playing to enjoy the overpriced booze. people aren't putting down big money to just hang out at riverside because they love just being there. think about it.
that whole 'you should be lucky you've got a gig' attitude is also pure garbage. any promoter that would treat their talent with that attitude would be seen as a total prick.
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^Enable your karma so I can give you some!
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the problem is shaddy promoters and too many dj's willing to play for free.
so if your a dj and you ask the promoter for 50-100$ per hour, why would they want to pay you when they can go find 20 others who will fill the timeslot for a few drinks and some RAVE fame. yes its pathetic, and for the dj's who arent asking for a decent chunk of money and who have prime timeslots, god damnit take that money because your making it harder for everyone else.
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I've worked door/coatcheck/concession at raves/clubs and probably pulled in more than the dj's on a few occasions. I'm not really complaining, but it doesn't seem right does it? ppl aren't heading to a club just so i can hang up their jacket :p
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Hooray for pocketchange????
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Speaking of which, a similar problem plagues the vancouver graphic design industry... Any idiot with a computer and some pirated software can slap together stolen images and call themselves a designer. Unfortunately many potential clients can't really tell the difference from real graphic designers and the frauds who claim to be them. I know that in Ontario they solved this problem by regulating the graphic design industry (you can't legally call yourself a graphic designer there without the proper credentials). Quote:
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It's one thing to make rave flyers and screw around on your computer, but as soon as you start trying to pass yourself off as a real professional graphic designer (with no real design or marketing education or experience), you're basically a fraud.
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bitch and complain, bitch and complain, if you cant beat the system, then a) give up or b) conform... fuck!
ps. Rhia, everyone I spoke to in regards to getting paid at the party... and to be honest I heard allot of complaining... and not just from ONE person on your consistent hassling of "Am I gonna get paid?" If you set a fee, then dont worry about it. You got paid that set fee didnt you? If anything you were done a favour by having an extended slot and NOT opening. I wouldnt be complaining. You should be happy that Evolve gave you the chance to play the music you love in a primetime slot. I closed for Amber D last night at Twisted and I didnt get paid, BOO HOO!... I had a ton of fun just playing the music I wanted to hear on the big system. I invested into dj gear so I can pursue a hobby, not buy it to make money off of it, if I make a couple bucks here and there doing so... well most of the djs in Van know the feeling afterwards :). Its common sense, annoying people dont get too far. At most parties... yes, you will get paid unless specified... Ive gotten paid every event ive played at... (well almost aside from the ones I said ill play for free at) I walk in expecting to walk out with no money, and I always have the promoter catching me and stuffing 50-150 into my pocket... If I were a promoter, and some dj I booked came in, rocked the place and tried to leave, id send a check for doing a good job, its called respect. I was impressed when it happened to me...
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Your not a dj so I wasnt expecting you to read it in whole anyways.
thanks for trying atleast
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