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Dj's should be paid, but they should also help promote the show. So many dj's don't do that. Dj's say well we spend the time practicing and buying records, the promoter does the rest. Well the promoter builds up contacts and makes the gigs possible, and give the dj's opportunities to play. EVERYONE should promote the show, flyer, post, poster, sell tickets, etc. With local dj's there are so many and so many are willing to pay for free. I do not think they should. Any shows I have done I try to pay everyone. I usually do unless the show did not go that well and I can see that certain dj's did not bring anyone. What it all really comes down to is so many people getting in for free. If you did not flyer, set up, or help out in anyway, or are not a strong part of the promo community you shouldn't get in free. The promoter and dj's all loose out. Big ass shows like the one that was wrote about in the original thread, well locals should get more then 25 bucks, etc. But the venue is pricy, along with hotels, flights, security, permits, staff, promo, etc. But those promoters seem to be driving pimp cars, have nice pads, etc. I think it should be shared. 
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I have never EVER once asked my DJ's to flyer for me, or sell tickets or promote my shows for me. They aren't required to do that, it isn't their responsibility. If a DJ asks for tickets to sell, I will gladly give them some tickets, but never ever do I expect them to do that for me. Bottom line is, you are hiring them to do a job for you. That job is to play music and keep the crowd energized and happy. I can put on my Sarah McLachlan CD's but I doubt it will have the same effect as if Rhia got on stage and played some bangin' house. The PROMOTING part is my job title, last time I checked DJ's were there to play music. ps - most of the dj's in this scene do, do a good job of promoting the event they are going to play at. they have their event listings in their sigs, their myspace profiles, and on occasion, I see them start threads that state where and when they are playing. That isn't their obligation, it is their choice.
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If I was to go up and play the exact music I love and what I want to hear... I could possibly be one of the worst DJ's out there. DJ'ing is reading a crowed and entertaining them. DJ's face alot of pressure and stress when dealing with an akward crowed trying to match the mood and atmospher and bringing an energy to the party. DJ'ing is often palying what the crowed wants to hear. Do you think a DJ buys a track based more on because they like it or more that they think it will make the crowed go off? DJ's work for the promoter. When I wanted to paly for believe I was told House between 120-125 bpm. When I play at whistler I have to play between a prog house DJ and a funky Breaks DJ. My job is to play music in an order that will blend the ngiht well together. DJ's have to deal with loud sound that dammages their hearing. Wait till you become a top 40's DJ... then youll really know what a working DJ has to deal with... "can you play my humps by balck eye peas?" *beer falls all over your record* Last edited by Ree Fresh; Apr 16, 06 at 09:57 PM.
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No DJ should ever HAVE TO promote, flyer, or sell tickets. I think alot of ppl get confused because we have so many promoter/DJs and alot of DJ's who use the oportunity to flyer as a way to promote them selfs. Selling tix and flyering is good way for DJ's to pic up some extra cash. However I sometimes take into consideration when booking DJ's the kind of crowed they will bring in or if there the kind of person that will promote the event or at least them selfs DJing.
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This thread is getting way out of hand. I believe that DJ's do what they do, because they love to DJ. But its a matter of prinicpal, if someone is promised money to do a service, any service, it should be delivered. And when a contract is modified, both parties should be notified, and agree to it.
As an upncommer myself i believe that any DJ whether been playing for 10 years or 1 year should be paid, not that the DJ would want to be paid, but the promoters should OFFER payment, and they should not be cheap. The DJ whether new or old has taken their time to play and entertain. But if it is contractual, it has to be fulfilled (PERIOD!) I believe to throw a good party, you need an opening DJ (to give the newbies a shot), a headliner, and a closer(again, to give the newbies a shot). I dont think Promoters would use Newbies to headline a show, because that would ruin the party. So as for Promoters using people who DJ for free (which are usually newbies) to replace Headliners, i believe is ridiculous and promoters arent dumb, they wont even think of that.
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to defend myself, what I mean is that; I have fun practicing for hours daily, playing out, and searching endlessly for new records to compliment my collection. when i think of having to go to "work" i dread it. I should have put this: work = not fun dj'ing = fun and as I said this was just my personal take on dj'ing. I of course do not knock or cheapen the amount of effort and hardship that comes with the whole dj gig. until my hobby turns into a full time paying job (i'm not holding my breath), im going to take it as a fun way to relieve steam.
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I seriouly thought I would get my head choped off and probly risk never getting booked again for "complaing, being money hungry, and tattling" for this post. However its so nice to see all the suport :y: This post is well over due, but I think too many DJ's feel the need to suck up and be loyal to promoters to get bookings. I think it's discusting whats happend in this scene and cant stand promoters who take advantage of it and DJ's who give into it.
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Ill prove you wrong again. I love my real job. My real job is lots of fun and very enjoyable. Except for the time it takes out of my life and getting up early in the morning. I work with kids with special needs and make $24 /hr + benifets. Every morning I come in with a big smile and leave with a big smile. During the Day I luagh and make the best posible life for a little girl that she could ever have at school. It's as good of a feeling like making a crowed go off. I invested $5000 for 1.5 yeras of collage and 10 years of experince working with kids. Just because I love my job and have fun with it doesnt mean I should do it for free. ps: with some of the "raves" being put on these days... I wouldnt call DJing at them that fun.
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Theres maybe 2-3 people in this thread who have a legitimate opinion
Wannabe djs who play for their friends can write as many essays as they want but it wont change the fact that they will never be anymore then what they are. A promoter who doesnt want to pay the DJ's shouldnt be promoting And real DJ's get paid
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that doesnt make me wrong. that makes your job alot more fullfilling than mine. and that makes me jealous. :292: I'm not saying you shouldnt get paid for your job if you like it ... not at all. and I'm not against dj's getting paid either. everything i say is IMHO. there are always other views and other circumstances that arent included in my statement. I wasnt saying all jobs are unfun. just mine. Last edited by G3N3R4L; Apr 16, 06 at 11:32 PM.
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exactly.
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But ya, everyone deserves a chance. The way i see it, Newbs deserve more of a chance than others, because then they can truly see how they feel about DJing, and decide whether they want to continue or not. I LOVE DJING, i rock out at home while doing my practice set. lol. But ya Wellbelove, im behind ya. I hate it when people get screwed over.
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The whole issue was worked out afterwards, I witnessed Dennis brining it up and Attila forgetting to put the extra money with the rest... apparently they only had big bills at the time. Remember promoters deal with allota shit, paying a dj is just one of the MANY things they have to deal with so theyre not gonna remember that they forgot to put 25$ in an envelope when they have (insert amount invested here) to worry about. If it were me in your shoes id try to get ahold of them the next day if the agreed amount wasnt reached and see if they care, then if they have respect, they SHOULD come up to you next time they see you and give you that extra 25$, and if not, then youll have a reason to shit talk a company. Ive heard of a few other companies that dont pay djs accordingly or falsely accuse people. The way I see it... it is the investors choice on how to deal with it, and the name of the company lies with how the promoter deals with it but you cant change a person when they found a way to make money... BUT as a dj, BE SMART! I think all djs should be paid, but in the end the dj doesnt have a say unless its been stated on paper, agreed on etc.
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