The Noobie dj

[ppcock]

I'm starting to see more and more noobs on flyers. People that have only been spinning for a short time. It shows to me that they just want to be popular. No matter what they say.

SO!
What your ol pal will be doing at every party from now on. I will be laughing hard at mistakes from these people. Just so they get uncomfortable and start doing more mistakes. Until the whole set is like a candy-kid set. Filled with crappy trance and trainwrecks - left, right, center.

[dabbler]

HAHAHAHA, you're such a dick. :P

[b0ld]

.... you have to admit though that there is a handful of these "noob" dj's that are talented though, and then you you have the one's who try and beatmatch to house music and still don't get it. Or they'll try and copy a whole tiesto/corsten/van burren set and fail miserably.

[dapimpstress]

How are you ever going to find new talent without noob dj's. i <3 u marty, but this was a weak post.

[C_squared]

Sign me up!

[ppcock]

Well,

If the dj's are going to plan their sets.. Then they shouldnt screw up.. Correct?

The point im getting accross Ashes is that you shouldnt play out if you're not ready. But its all popularity right? If I see a set of a noob dj that absolutely sucks ass but their friends say it was awesome. I'll tell them straight up that their set sucked. I'll also give plenty of examples.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by Ashes

How are you ever going to find new talent without noob dj's. i <3 u marty, but this was a weak post.

Pot, kettle, black

I think we ALL put out some useless drivel on occasion, don't you???

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by ppcock

Well,

If the dj's are going to plan their sets.. Then they shouldnt screw up.. Correct?

The point im getting accross Ashes is that you shouldnt play out if you're not ready. But its all popularity right? If I see a set of a noob dj that absolutely sucks ass but their friends say it was awesome. I'll tell them straight up that their set sucked. I'll also give plenty of examples.

I totaly agree w/ you Marty. It's something I've talked to heads about before. Lack of skill just makes you look like an idiot. The main reason behind that is: if you were given the chance to play a set in fron of hundreds of people, you should have enough experience to hold a mix, and on top of that hype a crowd. There are too many things I've heard noobs do like: trainwrecking, too much dead air 'cause the fucking record ran out and they're still trying to cue up the next record, their volumes and EQ's are all over the place. Plus they look nervous as hell on stage with the shakes or even worse: they look like they're Andy C or Z-trip up on stage thinking they're god's gift to rave even tho they sound like ass.

There's a lot of good dj's on this forum that's fo sure, and we've all been rassed for screwing up mixes and stupid shit like that, either by one of your boys or whatever. That's how ego's are built up over the years, because after messing up a transition and then hearing about it, the shit leaves you paranoid with that feeling of "I'll NEVER do that again!" therefore building the skills and killing the bad habits before rocking the show, then making you popular with the ladies, drug dealers, promoters -- that sort of shit. Essentialy I'm talking about dj'ing in front of a crowd, not in your bedroom -- alone.

So if Marty wants to do this shit.. I at least want to watch or catch it all on video!!

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by ppcock

I'm starting to see more and more noobs on flyers. People that have only been spinning for a short time. It shows to me that they just want to be popular. No matter what they say.

SO!
What your ol pal will be doing at every party from now on. I will be laughing hard at mistakes from these people. Just so they get uncomfortable and start doing more mistakes. Until the whole set is like a candy-kid set. Filled with crappy trance and trainwrecks - left, right, center.

jealous they're taking your spot? :)

[Moon]

i think it's natural for a noobie dj to wanna play out when he or she finally figures out how to beatmatch.... promoters in particular should be very careful who they put on their shows since a bad dj can be embarassing. in my eyes, it's also easy for the promoter to lose their souls in the business, and talent and art is just something they can't easily see anymore. some promoters rely on others who have good ears for talent to refer the DJ's, but most try to do it themselves from aquired knowledge over the years... most of time determining what will bring in the dollars. girl dj's, dj's who have alot of friends in the scene, dj's who are great at selling tickets, etc usually have an easy route to getting gigs... their lasting power however is questionable... in my opinion, booking djs should ideally be more on a subjective level rather than objective. the art will sell and sustain

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Pot, kettle, black

I think we ALL put out some useless drivel on occasion, don't you???

I don't think it's weak because it's useless drivel. I think it was weak because it takes alot for some of those noobs to get out and play, and how are they gonna get the experience if they DONT play out? that's all i mean.

in order to keep our scenes goin, we gotta support the newbs. we couldn't do it without em thats all i'm sayin.

i understand a lil more now tho.. i do agree people who can't beatmatch shouldn't play out. but dude, if u can't beatmatch ur not even a noob dj.. ur just practicing.

[ppcock]

^hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. No.
They're playing what's popular.. House, breaks, dnb.
I play trance and techno. As you can see I'm getting booked. But i've been playing for a long time and even when my music was not popular. I was still practicing and practicing. Loving my music.
Even if I wasnt getting booked. I'd still be playing records and adding genres to my record collection. I cant say that if these dj's were not getting booked they would continue spinning.
Why do you think there's so many ads on different boards selling turntables?
Sure, getting booked is all about networking skills. Carlos.. Do I have any networking skills?! But once you're on the stage your networking skills doesnt mean shit and if you're not prepared.. you should prepare yourself to be laughed at by those who know how to spin and do a damn fine job of it.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by k-pryde

i think it's natural for a noobie dj to wanna play out when he or she finally figures out how to beatmatch.... promoters in particular should be very careful who they put on their shows since a bad dj can be embarassing. in my eyes, it's also easy for the promoter to lose their souls in the business, and talent and art is just something they can't easily see anymore. some promoters rely on others who have good ears for talent to refer the DJ's, but most try to do it themselves from aquired knowledge over the years... most of time determining what will bring in the dollars. girl dj's, dj's who have alot of friends in the scene, dj's who are great at selling tickets, etc usually have an easy route to getting gigs... their lasting power however is questionable... in my opinion, booking djs should ideally be more on a subjective level rather than objective. the art will sell and sustain

amen!
i think a lot of promoters do book based on talent. but as far as noob djs go, i think a lot of their screw ups have to do with nerves. maybe they picked things up fast. maybe they know how to fuckin rock the decks. but how do you how they will play out in front of a crowd until they do play out in front of a crowd?? i've seen a lot of djs that are so called noobs fuckin' suck in front of a crowd but are awesome when not under pressure. the more they play out the more comfortable they can get. although annoying to some, its all about POTENTIAL!

[ppcock]

you obviously vanished for a long period of time.
Once when you were not partying.. Promoters started to book djs who get lots of people out to their shows.
You know... not doing it for throwing parties, doing it for the cha-ching.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by ppcock

^hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. No.
They're playing what's popular.. House, breaks, dnb.
I play trance and techno. As you can see I'm getting booked. But i've been playing for a long time and even when my music was not popular. I was still practicing and practicing. Loving my music.
Even if I was getting booked. I'd still be playing records and adding genres to my record collection. I cant say that if these dj's were not getting booked they would continue spinning.
Why do you think there's so many ads on different boards selling turntables?
Sure, getting booked is all about networking skills. Carlos.. Do I have any networking skills?! But once you're on the stage your networking skills doesnt mean shit and if you're not prepared.. you should prepare yourself to be laughed at by those who know how to spin and do a damn fine job of it.

yeah i see what you're saying! i was just teasing by the way! i think its not so much all noob djs, but noob djs that are strictly learning so they can play out that is the problem. as you have stated! and i agree that there is a handful of them that would stop playing because lack of bookings! as for your comment on playing what's popular...........its djing that's popular not what music you're playing! IMO

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by ashes

i understand a lil more now tho.. i do agree people who can't beatmatch shouldn't play out. but dude, if u can't beatmatch ur not even a noob dj.. ur just practicing

Then why are those djs who cant beatmatch (and im not talking just about the noobs.. there are many dj's who still cant beatmatch) getting bookings?

See my response to trixx..

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by ppcock

you obviously vanished for a long period of time.
Once when you were not partying.. Promoters started to book djs who get lots of people out to their shows.
You know... not doing it for throwing parties, doing it for the cha-ching.

okay, you're right! i said 'a lot', what i meant was there are some that do. mostly personal friends that throw smaller shows. i meant more in the sense of giving noobs a chance, and not because they're in it for the 'cha-ching' but they honestly feel that these noobs, deserve a chance!

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by TrixX

okay, you're right! i said 'a lot', what i meant was there are some that do. mostly personal friends that throw smaller shows. i meant more in the sense of giving noobs a chance, and not because they're in it for the 'cha-ching' but they honestly feel that these noobs, deserve a chance!

If so, then let them pay their dues to an audience at Anza's Open Decks. Bands are forced to do this all the time (open mics) so why not DJs?

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by trixx

its djing that's popular not what music you're playing! IMO

I disagree.. Dj'ing is still popular, I'm trying to get words out but I cant sooooo.. here comes a story kids.

Fusion Dreams 5am: I get up to spin, with uplifting trance in my collection, a bit of acid trance and some hard trance. Main focus was uplifting trance. The trance I started to bring out was uber classics. No one was on the dance-floor. I guess I should get with the times. I start bringing out some acid trance, few people here and there. Then I take out the hard trance and that's when the people came.

Kinda sad because if that party was filled with die-hard trance fans, then it would've been packed. i have tons of classic stuff from 1997-2001. Not one of my trance records is a shitty track. Ahh well, imf will be filled with techno and if no one dances. I'm going to throw on sandstorm, barbie girl, william hung and the hampster dance.

[TrixX]

^^^^ buahaha, good luck with that :)
i see where you're coming from. everyones entitled to their own opinions!

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by ppcock

Carlos.. Do I have any networking skills?!

If you're getting the name ppcock professionaly printed on flyers, then you're doing something right.

[matéo]

this whole give a newbie a chance thing sucks. If you havent been playing records for atleast 6 months don't even think abut playing out. Djs get to these points where they think they're reallly good(i've been there) but chances are they still suck. Promoters will book these shitty djs b/c they're usually friends and will play for free or gas money. Every shitty newbie dj that plays out helps lower the bar in what is considered acceptable mixing IMO. It really sucks when you go to a party and the headliners are the only decent local djs playing.

[Akeel]

Marty's full dj name is

Superstar DJ PPCock

[ppcock]

WRONG
Superstar dj ppcock

no caps
or all caps.

Sheesh Akeel.. YOu make me cry and Capt. Crunch just laughs at me.
Akeel (Poundrecordings, fnk.ca, WHP, Groove City)
Remember groove city dude?!

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ppcock

Kinda sad because if that party was filled with die-hard trance fans, then it would've been packed.

or perhaps it had something to do with said die-hard trance fans opting to enjoy the trance headliners on the main stage, rather than chilling at the back-door hallway flourecent light smoke-pit stage? possible... :202:

as for the newbie thing... as far as i'm concerned, you're ALL noobs, none of you should be playing out, and all these timeslots should basically be reseved for me and the very small number of local DJs who are actually older than me.

:idiot: