How much are you worth per hour?

[rawb]

Originally Posted by TrixX

^^^^^i can't imagine people spending more than a couple hundred on massage therapy!

HOW DOES IT END

[Alex]

Originally Posted by decypher

That's such an old paradigm. No one is debating that individual motivation can bring individual success. The argument is that some are privileged enough to have successes while others are held back by structural forces and inequality.

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And the reason why it's faux pas to talk about your financial worth IRL is because it sets up borders and effects the way people think and act around you.

Some are held down by inequalities? If someone is less skilled/intelligent they deserve less. Communism doesn't work my friend, nor is it fair.

[prozac]

Originally Posted by fritz

I have no problem disclosing my salary, I do it all the time. I make a reasonable amount for my position and seniority, so why would I care? If someone tried to guess my salary they would probably get it right. I'd be embarassed if I made more money than I do now.

People that dont discuss their salary usually have a societal hangup (wont tell you who they voted for either), or make too much money relative to their skillset. There are lots of people out there that make too much based on circumstance.

I think it just comes down to simple manners. I was raised that it was impolite to discuss financial details, except of course between very close friends/family and even then, only when necessary. It's just, well, tacky.

I suppose manners/etiquette can be seen as a type of "societal hangup" but then that would make chewing with your mouth closed and calling ahead when you're going to be late "societal hangups" too.

"One who is rich does not make a display of his money or his possessions. Only a vulgarian talks ceaselessly about how much this or that cost him. 5
A very well-bred man intensely dislikes the mention of money, and never speaks of it (out of business hours) if he can avoid it.
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-The manners queen herself, Emily Post.

edit: I realize how hypocritical I sound quoting Emily Post :cheesy:

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by rawb

HOW DOES IT END

with you paying me money :D

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by prozac

Yes, because manners are a conspiracy developed by the secret shadow government to keep the masses in line. :suspicious:

That's does it. It's elbows on the table time.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by tiedye

That's does it. It's elbows on the table time.

chewin with your mouth open, too!

[rawb]

NO LONGER ROLLING YOUR MOM OVER WHEN IM DONE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE NEXT GUY o

[tiedye]

That's Ok. I'm Told She's Versatile Like That.

[tiedye]

What the fuck did they do to the caps filter while I was gone? The old trick isn't working for me.

[AGROculture]

Originally Posted by TrixX

i've never worked with commission before. is 10% a good deal or what?

I'm not sure there is a standard. I get paid 0.5% commission on my sales and that still brings in a fair amount of cash. 10% and I'd be rich haha!

[rawb]

NOBODY SHOULD BE MAKING OVER 35K IF THEY CANT FIGURE OUT THE CAPS FILTER
o

[robyn]

glorified min + tips + comps.
green party of canada.
pretty acurate :/

[mithridate]

ya..
i think its just the way we were raised.
i really couldnt care less how much someone else made.
i might be curiouse just for curiosities sake if the thought arose.
but it would never affect my thought of a person based on that. there are too many variables as to why they are making what they make

BUT

how much icecream is in their freezer.. now THAT would make me turn my head and affect what i thought of that person. BWAHAH
(your GREAT! can i come over and eat some?)

chewing with your mouth open.
now THAT annoys me. :suspicious:

[decypher]

Originally Posted by Alex

Some are held down by inequalities? If someone is less skilled/intelligent they deserve less. Communism doesn't work my friend, nor is it fair.

Dude you need to read into what Communism is before you start using the word improperly.

Also,

Social darwinism, as you suggested with your statement, isn't a complete explanation for inequality. When i speak of inequalities i'm also talking about the structure of society and it's institutions along with the identities that are formed within them. People want to hang onto power so they work the system to serve individual interests.

I'm not sure you are really understanding the issue. Again, I'm not saying that individual effort doesn't help you in society. What I'm saying is that political economic structures prevent people from getting ahead and that you're "free" and "individual" ideas of society are just a story told to you to keep the consumer cycle moving.

You're "Free" as long as you pat yourself on the back and flaunt your cash, right? But look what the freemarket school of thought has down to (some) of the developing world, i.e. Chile. You have to think on a larger scale to see this stuff.

What do you think the civil rights and womans rights movement was all about? These were both times when certain people were thought inferior and incapable. They had to fight for an equal place in society and for the right to be successful. If you were to live in that era your rhetoric would be quite fitting for the times.

If you think those biases from that era don't survive in todays world then you're delusional. If you think that government policy doesn't strip working families of their livelihood or that rising costs of living and diminishing affordable housing doesn't effect people then you are seriously living in a bubble. Obviously these problems are hard to answer but the first step is to stop dismissing everything bad around you as "survival of the fittest" or "human nature." We aren't animals in the forest anymore we live in a pluralist society.

[tiedye]

I think this thread could do with a mindful reading of "The Art of Power" by Thich Nhat Hanh.

[jenai]

A friend of mine is a security guard and got $8.75 per hour fulltime to work 32 hours at a ritzy apartment where basically he did rounds while filing any requests from residents for his boss.

He states that he quit this job after a year due to making too many decisions that his supervisor was supposed to, even though he did get the job done. This was summer 2002.

He reported stress due to demands of job (walking all floors of the 15+ story building, check boiler at top of building, check electricity and maintenance area of ground level, and all parking levels, take requests of residents, etc.).

Overall, out of every 10 residents, only 2-3 actually treated him as a person. To the rest, he was a nuisance.

Now he is making $9.25 part-time listening to good music working for an event-related security firm, is less stressed (tho he is on disability supplements due to an assault suffered on the job when he foolished signed onto the worst security firm operating in Surrey circa 2004).

He states he wants to start a Goa trance band using computer-generated backbeat, but needs funding help ie how to write a proposal to give to appropriate Canadian arts funder.

[fritz]

Originally Posted by prozac

I think it just comes down to simple manners. I was raised that it was impolite to discuss financial details, except of course between very close friends/family and even then, only when necessary. It's just, well, tacky.

I suppose manners/etiquette can be seen as a type of "societal hangup" but then that would make chewing with your mouth closed and calling ahead when you're going to be late "societal hangups" too.

[Senior]

I make enough to eat really good food!!

[Mr Ektion]

i am very empathetic for the homeless. as easy as it is for someone like US to find a job, or line up 5 interviews... it's not easy for the poor.

First off, they don't have internet access if they can't even afford a roof over their heads. We all know to take a shower and wear clothes that present yourself well in order to land a good job. Well, if you're on the street you probably are trying to get the job to GET new clothes. and you probably smell like the street. So that makes things hard as well. How about addiction? Sure some people go to the street because they're hooked on some shit, but some people meet that addiction ON the street so their daily income (however they get it) goes towards feeding their mental anguish rather than their physical well being. So lay off.

The key word is opportunity. The fortunate typically create their own opportunities or easily recognize a good one when it shows up. The less fortunate usually aren't given the same yield of opportunities.

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by Alex

Some are held down by inequalities? If someone is less skilled/intelligent they deserve less. Communism doesn't work my friend, nor is it fair.

there is nothing accurate in that statement.

you don't have the job that you have and make the money that you make because of intelligence or skill set, you have that job because of personality (and probably connections or networking). people are held back by inequalities, economic systems, political systems, bureaucracies, nepotism, etc, etc, all the time. i would say most people are held back by inequalities.

i think your understanding of communism and our current economic system is pretty sad.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

there is nothing accurate in that statement.

you don't have the job that you have and make the money that you make because of intelligence or skill set, you have that job because of personality (and probably connections or networking). people are held back by inequalities, economic systems, political systems, bureaucracies, nepotism, etc, etc, all the time. i would say most people are held back by inequalities.

i think your understanding of communism and our current economic system is pretty sad.

I'd say there's some truth to both of these perspectives. I've seen plenty of total idiots in positions of power and I've seen some very talented people at the bottom. I think a lot of it has to do with things like desire, addiction, and circumstance.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by rawb

NOBODY SHOULD BE MAKING OVER 35K IF THEY CANT FIGURE OUT THE CAPS FILTER
o

SHIT DUDE. THAT'S MORE VALUABLE THAN AN MCSE.

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by Senior

I'd say there's some truth to both of these perspectives. I've seen plenty of total idiots in positions of power and I've seen some very talented people at the bottom. I think a lot of it has to do with things like desire, addiction, and circumstance.

sure, some people fail up and some people fight fairly to the top, so to speak. i didn't say intelligent skilled people couldn't be successful or that when they are successful it's not because of their skills or intelligence. what i am saying is the whole idea that capitalism (and especially the forms of capitalism we're familiar with) is fair or egalitarian or that people are only limited by their skills and/or intelligence is a total load of horse shit and is by definition propaganda.

but you're right in that success is a very complicated thing.

oh, i see where the confusion came into play: you thought i was using "you" in a "pluralis majestatis" way. i was actually referring to alex specifically.

[Webber]

i make enough that i don't have to worry about my bills, but not enough to be rich

[Bitchin]

Originally Posted by TrixX

alright. the owner of my clinic just said i get 10% for all gift cards and holiday sales. on top of my salary so thats pretty sweet i guess.

Not bad at all! Think about it.. for ever 100 you sell you get 10.. it adds up after awhile..

my commission is about the same.. bit higher.. but i usually make a few hundred a month. tis a nice bonus!