How much are you worth per hour?

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Alex

I was promoted at the peak of my selling? you're kidding right? You realize I make over rids off of every person I train. Meaning I do less work, more reliable and make more money... Do you have any concept of how sales companies work?

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by Alex

Are you mentally disabled? I teach a skill. A very valuable skill. Very few people on this planet are self taught.

i didn't know being a psychopathic douchefag was a skill. but i can see how it would be a valuable one in sales.

well, i for one am glad that you find it rewarding helping kids that already have what it takes to succeed and put them on the fast track.

[Alex]

fritz, by that logic every company on the planet pretty much is a pyramid scheme. The owner always profits off of employee's work.. For example when you go to a mechanic's shop, and charge out 80 or 100/hour labour.. do you think the staff mechanic earns that? They probably make 25-30.... Or construction companies that charge 50, 60, 70 or 80/hour for labourer's and pay them 25. Same difference. In fact, my over rides are far lower than other business's I previously mentioned.

kir, if someone doesn;t have a DESIRE to learn and achieve, why should I waste my time helping them? If someone gives me 100% effort I give 200% back in to helping them. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that those who are indifferent deserve my help and teachings.

[Grapes]

Alex's ability to keep calm in the face of a torrent of abuse is starting to creep me out.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by Alex

fritz, by that logic every company on the planet pretty much is a pyramid scheme.

[rationalization and self promotion deleted]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that those who are indifferent deserve my help and teachings.

That is true: even taxation is a pyramid scheme.

Also, all forms of news media, including advertising, is in essence propaganda for legal pyramid schemes, since they want you to buy something for more money than it costs to eat, be it food, medication, luxury items, vehicles, etc.

If the average fastfood meal is about 7 dollars - at the golden arches, two chicken wraps and pop is under six dollars - then that is pretty much fine cuisine considering that for six dollars, you can get a whole chicken, cooked with potato salad and coleslaw for $7!

If you scrimp a bit, then you can get six eggs and a small chow mein meal to go for less than that price, eat the chow mein and leave about 3 tablespoons of leftovers for the chow mein omelette the next morning.

And for seven dollars, you can at least 2 cans of stew, a can of beans and enough jalapeno peppers (3 small green pods) or chili peppers (4 small red pods) to make the best chili ever.

My point is, food service is like a mass market pyramid scheme, in that the basic ingredients are cheap due to agricultural subsidies designed to keep farms from growing broke selling food so cheap.

However, if you are at the servant end of the service industy, then your ability to make a lot of money will be curtailed by management to prevent the laggard coworkers from bitching to the boss.

Eg I know of this Boston Pizza waitress who is limited to being waitress for 4 days of her seven day workweek making up to $25/hr when you factor in tips, and a host the other 3 days at about $10.25/hr basic pay.

However, stripbar waitresses can rake in alot of money in tips once the liquor gets flowing, as long as they are amenable to the demeaning working clothes policy showing cleavage and legs) and the risk of being at the wrong place at the wrong time if the bouncers are associates of gang members.

Even so, the service industry is now prime MLM territory and the bartenders, cooks and wait persons have the potential of making a lot of money once they get the experience and skills to handle a lot of business.

So, yes, there are legal pyramid schemes based on salaries and wages - including commission and tips.

Though I think the prime MLM scheme is the family unit. While nobody can buy unconditional love, mother love is priceless.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Alex's ability to keep calm in the face of a torrent of abuse is starting to creep me out.

customer - "go fuck yourself!!!!!!"

Alex - "so then did you want to buy the vacuum, sir?"

[Alex]

^ I don't sell vacuums. A good friend of mine does...

and I'd never ask a question like that anyways ;-)

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Alex's ability to keep calm in the face of a torrent of abuse is starting to creep me out.

He's very 'self assured'. Probably someone who makes everything out in his life to be more perfect and awesome than it actually is to drive home a point and make sure everyone knows he basically is the only person who knows how to be successful on this board.

Am I missing something or did he ever post about what he actually does for a living in non vague terms?

[Alex]

^ no I haven't, why would I? I work in direct cold calling sales, earning 100% commission. What I have sold in the past and currently sell is irrelevant.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

He's very 'self assured'. Probably someone who makes everything out in his life to be more perfect and awesome than it actually is to drive home a point and make sure everyone knows he basically is the only person who knows how to be successful on this board.

Depends how you define success. I'm sure their are countless people on this board who earn higher incomes than I do. Maybe not many, if any at all, that earn more than I do for time spent. For example, this week I worked a total of 11 hours. Some of my friends and colleagues think I'm lazy. I'm by far not the most motivated person, but the way I look at it is I make more in a week than I need to make in a month to cover my expenses. I am young, why wouldn't I take time off to pursue hobby's, spend time with friends and my girlfriend, get enough sleep and relaxation etc?

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

^ I don't sell vacuums. A good friend of mine does...

and I'd never ask a question like that anyways ;-)

you'd never ask for a sale?

and I thought it didn't matter what you sold? which is it? does matter or doesn't matter?

[esoter1c]

Poor Alex, he never stood a chance against the FNK savages.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Senior

you'd never ask for a sale?

and I thought it didn't matter what you sold? which is it? does matter or doesn't matter?

Doesn't matter, but I don't sell vacuums ;-)

Of course I ask for the sale, but not how you wrote.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Senior

customer - "go fuck yourself!!!!!!"

Alex - "so then did you want to buy the vacuum, sir?"

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!! !

ive used that as one of my closes before.

older lady giving me excuse after excuse not to purchase my product listing things like :wont fit,wrong colour,needs to think about,needs to go home and measure,just came in to take a look even though she was perfectly qualified into that product and it was the exact thing she needed. she knew it too just needed to get over that fear of purchase hump.she took my work sheet and even drew out a schematic of why the deal would not happen that day.

after about about a solid 5 min of her going off,all i did was smile....take the paper back...underline the price i was at and ask:

"SO WOULD YOU LIKED IT DLVD TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY"....and then said nothing for the next min.

she kinda deflated a little bit and said "wednesday would be better"

CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

[Alex]

^ see that's an assumptive close. What Senior typed wasn't. It was a weak question.

[Senior]

totally agreed, my version of that was asking what method of payment they proffered.

"and will that be on Visa or Master Card?"

Originally Posted by Revolver

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!! !

ive used that as one of my closes before.

older lady giving me excuse after excuse not to purchase my product listing things like :wont fit,wrong colour,needs to think about,needs to go home and measure,just came in to take a look even though she was perfectly qualified into that product and it was the exact thing she needed. she knew it too just needed to get over that fear of purchase hump.she took my work sheet and even drew out a schematic of why the deal would not happen that day.

after about about a solid 5 min of her going off,all i did was smile....take the paper back...underline the price i was at and ask:

"SO WOULD YOU LIKED IT DLVD TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY"....and then said nothing for the next min.

she kinda deflated a little bit and said "wednesday would be better"

CLOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

^ see that's an assumptive close. What Senior typed wasn't. It was a weak question.

thanks tips!!!

but that was actually me being passive aggressive and telling the guy to fuck off by without actually saying it.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

^ see that's an assumptive close. What Senior typed wasn't. It was a weak question.

no its not.

THATS A COMBINED DIRECT/EITHER OR CLOSE.

im now convinced you dont no jack fuck all about sales and your a subscription hack *edit* or those bastards that call me to have my carpets or furnace cleaned.

"assumptive close"??? no such thing. right when i say 'HELLO' im already assuming im going to close.

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Am I missing something or did he ever post about what he actually does for a living in non vague terms?

He turns great employees... into great employees!

Way to change to world and make a difference Alex.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Revolver

no its not.

THATS A COMBINED DIRECT/EITHER OR CLOSE.

im now convinced you dont no jack fuck all about sales and your a subscription hack *edit* or those bastards that call me to have my carpets or furnace cleaned.

"assumptive close"??? no such thing. right when i say 'HELLO' im already assuming im going to close.

asking which payment method they prefer is assumptive though.

and it's not vacuums or subscriptions but it doesn't matter what it is!!!

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Senior

asking which payment method they prefer is assumptive though.

and it's not vacuums or subscriptions but it doesn't matter what it is!!!

your right, asking wich method of payment is assumptive but i go by the assumptive right from the start of the presentation.

closeing methods i like to isolate further so visa 'eaither' mastercard 'or'....

id say this little poem to myself 'you can pay with either, or,but you aint gettin my card and walkin out the door'

and your right also when you say it dosent matter. a sale is a sale wether its a home,car,furniture....*gulp* magazine subscriptions. hes just drivin me nuts with the vagueness/arogance and needed to bring out the jerk styleeeze.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Revolver

your right, asking wich method of payment is assumptive but i go by the assumptive right from the start of the presentation.

closeing methods i like to isolate further so visa 'eaither' mastercard 'or'....

id say this little poem to myself 'you can pay with either, or,but you aint gettin my card and walkin out the door'

and your right also when you say it dosent matter. a sale is a sale wether its a home,car,furniture....*gulp* magazine subscriptions. hes just drivin me nuts with the vagueness/arogance and needed to bring out the jerk styleeeze.

I bet he's actually just an assistant manager at Future Shop... lol... "would you like to purchase the extended warranty sir?"

[Alex]

Asking which day they want it delivered is an assumptive closing line, meaning you assume they're buying when you say the closing line(which day delivered tues or weds)

Senior typed 'would you like to buy...'

which is a weak closing line, not assuming the sale. How am I supposed to know if he's joking or not?


Regardless of what I do(i don't sell magazines or vacuums) Depending on the company both have huge income potential. As I stated out of all of the sales job's I've had, the highest paying have been the ones that the public generally would consider the lowest status.

Yes, you're right. The sales job I'm working at the moment, you probably wouldn't consider very elegant or 'professional'. Honestly though, it's the highest paying, most honest, and most legitimate company I have worked for.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Senior

I bet he's actually just an assistant manager at Future Shop... lol... "would you like to purchase the extended warranty sir?"

hahahaha, ya, you caught me :-)

[Alex]

Just to feed your low opinion of me, the highest paying sales job I've ever had(didn't last) was working as a Gas Marketer.

Honestly, terasen was extremely smart with their planning. In other provinces(alberta, manitoba...) 1 or 2 LARGE companies with history in the natural gas business, and huge assets were granted permission to start up. What resulted was trained staff who worked territory lists properly. meaning in the end the original company lost massive amounts of customers.

terasen opened the flood gates, allowing any company with a min. 250k in ASSETS to start marketing gas, regardless of past history in the business(if any). What resulted was 17 companies scrambling to get as many sales as possible, hiring thousands of staff, not training them, and blitzing BC. These staff lied, tricked etc and didn't explain the contracts. Most of them were a plague of dishonesat scam artists. Regardless of the bad image and getting a late start trying it out I consistantly signed 2 contracts an hour while I stayed with the job(not for long) Some times being the 3rd,4th or 5th marketer to customers doors in a day(signing customers after calming them down and explaining the contract truthfully)

if 1 company had recieved a contract to market(or even 2 or 3) and area was assigned to reps(all fully trained) in a logical manner, that would have been an amazing sales job.