solid corp going to pull out something huge for dooms night?

[Antenna_Boy]

Agreed!^^=)

[Séguin]

Simple, at one point, the scene lost it's fun factor and became a business for way too many people.

[Antenna_Boy]

that is also true^ take a look at all of the ravers that doped themselves up on E, some of them turned into drug(E) dealers at later parties :(

[Séguin]

Or DJs, promoters, flyer designers, staff, and producers.

[ty:rone]

robyn... ok no i'm not saying selling fake tickets is ok.
but let's get this straight: solid didn't even print the tickets for that party. it was PLAZA OF NATION'S party. twisted and solid did all the promoting. but you probably won't understand that anyway.

stan's been in the scene for a long time so he knows quite a few people. if you really think he would have the nerve to print fake tickets, sell them to his friends who would find out the night of the event that they were fake.....

do you really think he would do that kinda stuff? even doing something that'll give others the slightest idea that he's fucking with them will fuck him up in the end. vancouver's a stuck up place filled with a lot of stuck up people. you fuck with stuck up people and you're gonna get a 187. this kid's in university and he's gotta future. he's not gonna do dumb shit like this.

if i sold fake tickets to my friends, no matter how close they are. i think half of them would put more bullets in my head than 50cent, 2pac and half of the industry's gangster rappers combined. doing something that'll get you jail time is bad. doing something that'll get you shot by people who are cool with you, is worse.

[de-ken]

^ as simple as it sounds... makes sense 100%

[trance4life]

bring back plaza! =)

[Anjew]

back and forth back and forth.
i say let it rest

[Séguin]

I found the most awesome venue today. You could easily throw a 4 roomed massive. Crazy high celings, 2 bars, balcony that can be used for a 19+ area. And it's out of town a little ways, no where near residential. So rave bylaws or whatever wouldn't apply.

[Atlantis77]

how far away??

[Séguin]

45mins - an hour, depending on how fast you drive

[robyn]

Originally Posted by 4:20

robyn... ok no i'm not saying selling fake tickets is ok.
but let's get this straight: solid didn't even print the tickets for that party. it was PLAZA OF NATION'S party. twisted and solid did all the promoting. but you probably won't understand that anyway.

I wasn't attacking solid in my post, although I don't really support them. I was attacking your fucked up justification.

[tones6]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

^get off solids' dick, i'm not "pro-twisted" i've hated on twisted in the past too. but they havn't done anything as blatant and 'bout the money' as solid has. take apex for example, they can afford to throw parties with 5k attendacnce, but no stage at the customer appreciation rave? that's cuz they don't appreciate..

Shut the fuck up you annoying twisted-cock-sucking, ass licking, don't know shit all about the scene fuck nut! * hope that made sense*

[M!SKA]

Originally Posted by tones6

Hey you dumb fuck, did you even see a twisted stage at apex?? It ain't free now cuz Swing Kids Charge each production group to have a stage now! It aint cheap ethier, i think it's 1500 for each stage. Then you gotta rent out your lighting and sound system and pay for your dj's! And if Solid were to do a stage, that money would pretty much go into the spooky fund as Salim is one of the spooky producers. Now WHY THE FUCK would you put money into someone's pocket when there doin a show on the same date as you?

P.S. Shut the fuck up you annoying twisted-cock-sucking, ass licking, don't know shit all about the scene fuck nut! * hope that made sense*

http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=193

how about you shut the fuck up now?

[tones6]

Originally Posted by de-ken

my response to MissBehavior's reply:

absolutely. yes... times have changed, but i totally understand if ppl refuse to accept their current circumstances and demand better, because that is how progress is made.

anyways... i am merely a casual observer of this whole drama unfolding. i could care less if the "scene" is becoming too commercialized, mainstream, or competitive for other ppl's liking. i am just making observations that i find to be ironic and doesn't make sense to me (e.g. how ppl complain about solid for their inactions which they decided on their own, rather than conforming to what everyone says they should be doing because "thats the way it should be"...)

AntennaBoy said it best: companies can do whatever they want... because it's a free country! there is no governing authority out there that dictates how the rave scene should function. so why not just respect ppl's decisions to do what they want (i.e. throw a halloween party) or to not do what they want (e.g. not do an apex stage and take a breather after putting on a big show like IMF).

this is just a hypothetical situation, but i wonder how u fnkers will respond when Twisted Productions (or any other major player) decide to "hang it up and retire" from all this drama. (and lets just pretend that if these major players retire, it pretty much means the end of massives for a long while.) surely u will respect their decision to move on to other things right? or are u gonna absolutely demand "NO! you cannot quit because u exist to serve us, the all-important ravers!" my point is: it doesnt seem fair to go lynching ppl just because they make their own independent decisions for their own independent reasons.

You tell em Ken!

[trance4life]

Originally Posted by M!SKA

http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...&postcount=193

how about you shut the fuck up now?

i dont get it, whats the link supposed to be?
(little off topic though)

[M!SKA]

why don't you click it

[trance4life]

lol odd, it went to the sept pound it party thread

i get it now~

[tones6]

whoops! guess i missed out ona few pages! my bad!

[M!SKA]

Originally Posted by trance4life

lol odd, it went to the sept pound it party thread

i get it now~

oh haha i put the wrong link in a first but i thought i caught that before anyone noticed :p

[trance4life]

i click fast

[Séguin]

I noticed

[M!SKA]

Originally Posted by trance4life

i click fast

but not fast enough to quote the 'wrong' link ;)

Since everyone is focusing on customer appreciation, I thought I should clear some things up. Apex is primarily for the people. But it not just for the people but for the smaller companies and local DJ’s as well. We wanted to create an event that showcased all of the talent within Vancouver that doesn’t get to be showcased in a regular party setting, and we have succeeded with just that. It makes names for rising DJ‘s, and gets smaller promotional companies that contribute to the scene the recognition that they deserve.

I am not sure where a lot of you are getting your information, but it is hearsay. If there is any promoter who has not been part of Apex, and you would like to know all of the finer details of the show, please contact myself instead of assuming on how it might be run.

Apex is definitely hosted by myself, and I am an integral part of the SK team, but for Apex I am independent of Swing Kids Entertainment. Salim does play a major role in everything that happens with the show, he mentors, he helps when I am not able complete a task and he offers support to myself and other small companies throughout the event.

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” There's always money leakage. It’s hard to say and it’s everyone’s own opinion. Not saying that the there is leakage in $ but there's always a possibility especially when not every company has a representative at the door or know the exact # of sales. Even by looking at our own shows with one company, our balance doesn't exactly balance all time to the attendance/sales.”

Our accounting practices are meticulous and to imply that there might be money leakage within my company is a fairly hefty accusation. If you know something I am not aware of, by all means, please bring me into the loop. If you are experiencing that within your own company, then maybe I could suggest you reconsider who handles your money.

It is an attack on my professional integrity as well as Swing Kids professional integrity that anyone would imply we are not a reputable company. Swing Kids has not made it 11 years due to shady dealings.

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“ps: Solid did not participate in APEX b/c all the companies lost $ EXCEPT the company that were the hosts. We don't mind giving back to the scene but the main host is Swing Kids, which also is doing Spooky hmm.. can you see the politics here in effect? Plain and simple. Nobody does anything for free in this scene. There's no such thing as a free meal.”

I was fairly compensated for volume of work I undertook, but back in one of your statements, you did say how hard it must be to work with 15 different companies and manage all of those in a way where everyone can work together.

The only money that Salim of Swing Kids Entertainment made or had the potential to make is that which his stage pulled in, the same as everyone else.

And Stan, I appreciate that your “sources” informed you of all the Spooky flyers at Apex, it illustrates how hard Salim and I work to promote our shows.

Swing Kids does one event per year – Spooky. We gave up the Valentines Date (Emotion) for Kiss, and we are more than happy to walk away from NYE as asked. Spooky is the one event we can call our own.

As a company, SK takes pride in being part of the nightlife in Vancouver. We do not slander other companies on web forums or start malicious rumors about other production companies. We should be working together on getting more legal venues and making municipalities more tolerant of all night dance events. Instead, we are destroying what we have all worked so hard for.

How could any city council take us seriously if we can’t stop fighting amongst ourselves?

SK Entertainment is a pioneer within the “rave” scene. We have pushed for cities throughout the lower mainland to accept raves and help us make them safer. We have constantly tried to support the arts and taken part in events such as New Music West. We have supported smaller companies and continue to do so by supporting events like Apex Project. We also donate to youth and the arts including: The Environmental Youth Alliance, Children’s Hospital, Air Canada Dreams Take Flight and the list goes on.

Stan, you call yourself a businessman and as such you need to stand your guard. Well a business is not conducted in this manner. From the smallest corner store, to the largest corporation, they don’t get onto public forums and slander and question publically a competitor. Politicians do this, and you keep referring to the “politics” that Swing Kids are so involved in, but the only politics that I see here, are the ones that you are creating. If this toxic rhetoric continues, it will damage further an already fragile scene.

We do not view any company that does a show the same night as ours as competition but as a reason to work harder.

You can continue to point fingers and call names, but please bring it to the people who you are talking about. Salim, Azim, Kraig or myself are more than happy to speak with you regarding this.

For the integrity of the Rave scene, my company and for your company, keep it out of the forums.

[MrIvan]

apparently dooms night is officially at the PNE on oct 30th/2004