solid corp going to pull out something huge for dooms night?

[Antenna_Boy]

Nothing like competition. Hmmm, for the ravers the politicalness sucks. For the promoters it is exactly BUSINESS. So after contemplating my thoughts and comparing them to other peoples posts, all I can say is this: Promoters can do whatever they want! There is no patented nights to have a party. It is an open playing field. If there is an opportunity to make profit to support the promoter's expenses and self(not even service is for free), then let them throw their own parties. Two parties on one night. Is that fair? Sure is! Like Darren (dlo_604) said it is like the two computer industries competing who can do better. So if you advertise the best, make the tickets and WATER more AFFORDABLE than the other party, you bring not the best but DECENT headliners for the rave, you can make and beat the competition. The bottom line is COMPETITION IS WHAT DRIVES THE RAVE "INDUSTRY". Without competition, there is NO CHOICE of what the consumers are looking for. It would be like saying there is no choice but to go to SPOOKY on Hallow's night. Now there is the choice of going to DOOMS night. Personally, I could care less where I go as long as I get my moneys worth. It's not about "plur" and promoters really could care less about the friendship aspect with its competitors. ATLANTIS77 you say respect other companies. That is a fair statement. Respect being NOT to bring down the image of your competition by slandering them! It is best to say positive notes about your competition, at the same time saying to the consumers/ audiences/ ravers what service you will be providing for them instead. INTEGRITY??? There is no fucking promotion eithical code amongst competitors(except not to slander each other). CREDIBILITY??? Credibility is ALWAYS good unless the competitors have proved that they have intended to discourage party-goers to mind the other companies. In conclusion, if there is a night to throw a party, I say make that party happen, and you never know if you can make it the best it can be. That is all =)

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Oh you make me sick can you stop sucking dick for a second and listen to yourself. It's quite evident that Twisted and Swing Kids are competitors to Solid Corporation. You can't expect competitors to put things aside and just tell them to hug and pretend nothing happened. Let me put things into prospective for you it's like the owner of Microsoft is competing againest Apple. You can't expect Bill Gates to step aside and hope to cooperate with the Owner of Apple (whoever that may be). Do you get the picture yet? Or no?

Reality is this Dooms Night is on the same night on Spooky, but this isn't the FIRST TIME this has happened so why is this such a big deal NOW when it probably wasn't back than?

First of all, I'm going to point something out: Twisted and Swing Kids are 2 different companies. They were also "competition" a few years ago. But guess what? They decided that it made better business sense to work together. Isn't that funny? And back in the day when both Apple and Microsoft were starting out, Bill Gates WANTED to work with Steve Jobs who laughed in his face. Look where that got Apple: like 7% of the market share for computers. Don't you think that companies working together could benefit all of them alot more that butting heads?

As for parties the same night, yes they happened, and yes it was a big deal, but there was no one from the production companies (and their associates [ie: you, but not you specifically right now. :)]) who would slag the other company. It just wasn't done. People had respect for others and didn't run their mouths off.

Originally Posted by de-ken

omg haha this thread is too hilarious!! everyone is just talking about how things SHOULD be and the "good ol' rave days"... rather than accepting how the way things ARE and the fact that times have changed.

i find it ironic how ppl are accusing solid about being greedy and being only out there to make a quick buck and not throwing "customer appreciation" parties... even though when solid does throw a party, ppl still go and end up praising them for bringing in good talent. i mean... just look at the IMF event review thread. majority of the reviews are positive... everyone seemed to have a good time judging by that thread. but now everyone is complaining "oh but solid only throws parties to make money!" and yet ppl still go to solid parties and have a good time?? this is leaving me puzzled, scratching my head....

First of all, if you don't like the way something is working, wouldn't you want to see it change? Just because this is "the way things are now" doesn't mean that's the best way of doing things. Yes, times have changed. And that's the problem. If things were more like they were then, there wouldn't be all this demeaning talk of "competition". I'm not saying that there wasn't talk of it back then, but what I AM saying is that the attitudes towards it were different. The people supporting the different companies (friends, ticket sellers, etc) had a more playful banter, at least on a public forum. What they REALLY thought personally was kept between themselves and their associates. When someone stepped over the line, they were quickly put back in their place by everyone else. Doesn't that sound like a better system?

The people =/= the production company (in this case Solid). It makes good business sense to bring in talent that people want to see. Do you think any production company would say "Hey, lets bring in DJ YYYY because the people want to see him/her, but if spending $XXXXX means we WILL lose money, that's okay. The kids will be happy they saw them!"? NOT A FREAKING CHANCE. NOT going to happen. Regardless of anything else, it IS a business. To entice the people to your party, you have to bring out who they want to see. As for people having a good time, that's also part of the business. If people think that a show sucked, that's going to affect how they view the company, and it's going to affect whether of not they go to another party thrown by that company. One of the golden rules of business is: KEEP YOUR CUSTOMERS HAPPY. Period.

I also agree that Apex is a customer appreciation party. For a $20 max ticket (not VIP), this year people got to see The Thrillseekers and DJ Abstract (who you would pay about that much to see on their own), not to mention all the rest of the DJs there. At any given moment there is music playing that any given person is going to like (be it hip hop, trance, breaks, dnb, house, etc). That seems like a pretty good deal, don't you think? THAT is why it's unfortunate that Solid sees Swing Kids as competition to be avoided. They could have been involved in something that's an integral part of Vancouver's scene and they chose not to. I think it's sad more than anything.

[Anjew]

/served.

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by iluvtechno

Atlantis77, Clearly you have no business sense what-so-ever. You demonstrate you have NO IDEA how the business world functions, nor do you have any idea how competition works.

Shut the fuck up and get some more education before you run your mouth like a wannabe smart ass.

As Happy-Q-Boy said, all this discussion is like a political debate in elementary school. Bunch of kids who think they know how things work, "debating". Nice one!

And you're just an idiot.

[omega_image]

^i think atlantis has just as much knowledge as you (iluvtechno)..........its just you both have different view points on the situation.

this shit really needs to either be dealt with or forgotten about

who the fuck cares if there are 2 top companies now rather than one? who cares if there are 2 parties on the same night? it just provides the people with more than one option as both parties should have relatively different lineups.

both companies deserve respect for different reasons, and really who cares who's throwing the party as long as its good?

theoretically i could throw a halloween party that would blow these two out of the water, it may not sell out becuz no one would know of my production name, or i wouldnt have giant international djs........

basically what im gettin at is that people really need to stop caring about so much shit and just go to have fun, why get your self involved in shit that you dont need to? why worry about politics and feuds that dont even concern you?

bah......enough rambling

[Anjew]

just watch the olympics.

[omega_image]

edit

anyways everyone should just smoke a joint and listen to some marvin..........

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by iluvtechno

Question 1) Have you ever organized a successfull dance event?
Anwer 1) NO

Question 2) Do you own your own business?
Answer 2) NO

That pretty much sums up what I think of your comment.

Regardless of whether you've done either of the above or not is not the point.

I've been raving long enough to know how things DID work, and how they work now. There is a major problem with how things work now. Period. I KNOW how a business is run. I've worked in retail for long enough to get an idea. You don't always need to have hands on experience to get the gist of something. Plus, MANY of my friends have thrown both sucessful and unsuccessful parties, and I've seen the repercussions of both. Some have had to take out loans to cover their debts.

Don't tell me what I know and don't know. Your ignorance just further validates my post.

[G-Style]

OK one last comment and then I hang up the gloves on this issue. As an audience member what would you prefer to see:
1) 2 x ok looking shows with ok headliners both parties only half full. Only half the money spent on production for each show. OR
2) 1 x Big Party in a big venue with great headliners massive production and still the same price.
What everyone seems to be not seeing here is that competition is good.I agree but let your partys stand alone. Two parties do not have to be on the same night to be viewed and criticed by your audience. By throwing two parties on the same night you are going to be taking the current audience that barely fills the colisiuem and splitting in half cutting the energy and vibe in half for both parties. Now I 'don't know about you people but this issue for me has absolutly nothing to do with Spooky and Dooms Night at all!!!!!! These two parties are going to happen and no matter who creates the most hype to be completly honest I feel both parties are going to be lacking! Why you may ask? Well it's simple the "competition" is now affecting your audiences. Competition is fine as long as it doesn't affect the end user. Now you can relate that to the Computer Industry or any industry for that matter and this rings true. By continuing this type of promoting behaviour you are effectivly splitting the scene into peices and slowly destroying it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 YEs that's right destroying it. I have been around this scene for over 12 years and more than 6 countries so please do not tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I have seen 100's of companies come and go but they always left the scene better than they came into it. The bottom line is this has absolutly nothing to do with the scen or the "competition" its purely and simply EGOS. EGOS are the number one destroyer of buisnesses. DOn't believe me I can introduce you to tons of people who have had succesful market places crumble because people can't check their EGO's at the door.
Once again I make the OFFER. I have a conference room and a calender. I will be more than willing to mediate and meeting to ensure the success of all companies and the scene. If you do not take this offer it just shows me that the use of good, practical, buissness sense is lost on all. I have already been contacted by a few directors of promtional companies willing to sit down and work this stuff out and a few that I know would be willing if I asked. If this sounds like something SOLID would like to go ahead with let me know. More importantly forget SOLID Mike and Ben you are the guys that are really heading the operations up over there please show everyone that you guys are the not only the buissness men but the proffesionals that I know you are. What I am saying is true and not one of the production copanies in this town can deny it and if any of the promotional companies can look me in the face and tell me honestly what I am saying is not the truth then I will admit I am mistaken but I think much more highly of, Mike, Ben , Azim , Dave, Rick, Salim, Marty, Ivan then they know. If everyone can put the past in the past and sit down and work on the future the scene will become stronger than it has ever been and for the audience you can look forward to more big name Dj's and large show quality at every event. Yes the scene has changed but isn't it time we changed it again for the better.
PROMOTERS THE BALL IS IN YOU COURT. I HAVE MADE THE OFFER TO HELP (At no cost) TO GET EVERYONE ON TRACK AND BUILDING A STRONG SCENE FOR EVERYONE FOR YEARS TO COME.

p.s. Miss Behaviour I value your opinion.

[Antenna_Boy]

[quote=G-Style]OK one last comment and then I hang up the gloves on this issue. As an audience member what would you prefer to see:
1) 2 x ok looking shows with ok headliners both parties only half full. Only half the money spent on production for each show. OR
2) 1 x Big Party in a big venue with great headliners massive production and still the same price.
QUOTE]
The problem with #2 is that the amount of money generated for the party will vary. And with that in mind there will be problems associated with whom will get what portion of the profit(if any). If you get two competitors working together, well, don't count on it always being successful..there is still the politics involved!

[Anjew]

Originally Posted by G-Style

OK one last comment and then I hang up the gloves on this issue. As an audience member what would you prefer to see:
1) 2 x ok looking shows with ok headliners both parties only half full. Only half the money spent on production for each show. OR
2) 1 x Big Party in a big venue with great headliners massive production and still the same price.
What everyone seems to be not seeing here is that competition is good.I agree but let your partys stand alone. Two parties do not have to be on the same night to be viewed and criticed by your audience. By throwing two parties on the same night you are going to be taking the current audience that barely fills the colisiuem and splitting in half cutting the energy and vibe in half for both parties. Now I 'don't know about you people but this issue for me has absolutly nothing to do with Spooky and Dooms Night at all!!!!!! These two parties are going to happen and no matter who creates the most hype to be completly honest I feel both parties are going to be lacking! Why you may ask? Well it's simple the "competition" is now affecting your audiences. Competition is fine as long as it doesn't affect the end user. Now you can relate that to the Computer Industry or any industry for that matter and this rings true. By continuing this type of promoting behaviour you are effectivly splitting the scene into peices and slowly destroying it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 YEs that's right destroying it. I have been around this scene for over 12 years and more than 6 countries so please do not tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I have seen 100's of companies come and go but they always left the scene better than they came into it. The bottom line is this has absolutly nothing to do with the scen or the "competition" its purely and simply EGOS. EGOS are the number one destroyer of buisnesses. DOn't believe me I can introduce you to tons of people who have had succesful market places crumble because people can't check their EGO's at the door.
Once again I make the OFFER. I have a conference room and a calender. I will be more than willing to mediate and meeting to ensure the success of all companies and the scene. If you do not take this offer it just shows me that the use of good, practical, buissness sense is lost on all. I have already been contacted by a few directors of promtional companies willing to sit down and work this stuff out and a few that I know would be willing if I asked. If this sounds like something SOLID would like to go ahead with let me know. More importantly forget SOLID Mike and Ben you are the guys that are really heading the operations up over there please show everyone that you guys are the not only the buissness men but the proffesionals that I know you are. What I am saying is true and not one of the production copanies in this town can deny it and if any of the promotional companies can look me in the face and tell me honestly what I am saying is not the truth then I will admit I am mistaken but I think much more highly of, Mike, Ben , Azim , Dave, Rick, Salim, Marty, Ivan then they know. If everyone can put the past in the past and sit down and work on the future the scene will become stronger than it has ever been and for the audience you can look forward to more big name Dj's and large show quality at every event. Yes the scene has changed but isn't it time we changed it again for the better.
PROMOTERS THE BALL IS IN YOU COURT. I HAVE MADE THE OFFER TO HELP (At no cost) TO GET EVERYONE ON TRACK AND BUILDING A STRONG SCENE FOR EVERYONE FOR YEARS TO COME.

p.s. Miss Behaviour I value your opinion.

dude.. please write in paragraphs...

[Atlantis77]

Originally Posted by omega_image

edit

anyways everyone should just smoke a joint and listen to some marvin..........

well said my boy. We should just smoke a j and hit up white pine!

ill reply to the rest of you later!!

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by G-Style

Yes the scene has changed but isn't it time we changed it again for the better.

*applauds wildly*

Now THAT is a post.

p.s. Miss Behaviour I value your opinion.

:keebler:

And I yours.

[MissBehavior]

[quote=Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by G-Style

OK one last comment and then I hang up the gloves on this issue. As an audience member what would you prefer to see:
1) 2 x ok looking shows with ok headliners both parties only half full. Only half the money spent on production for each show. OR
2) 1 x Big Party in a big venue with great headliners massive production and still the same price.
QUOTE]
The problem with #2 is that the amount of money generated for the party will vary. And with that in mind there will be problems associated with whom will get what portion of the profit(if any). If you get two competitors working together, well, don't count on it always being successful..there is still the politics involved!

That's what contracts are for: To make sure that everything that is talked about and agreed upon is solidified (no pun intended), so that there can be no argument.

[Clayton.]

Originally Posted by omega_image

i remember sweet gets wicked........same night @ spooky 5...........for some odd reason the power went out, according to staff a car hit a power box.........kinda suspicious if u ask me

Ya no doubt that is kinda suspicious, wasn't anne savage playing at that party?

[omega_image]

yup and tiesto...........

[trance4life]

Originally Posted by iluvtechno

Atlantis77, Clearly you have no business sense what-so-ever. You demonstrate you have NO IDEA how the business world functions, nor do you have any idea how competition works.

Shut the fuck up and get some more education before you run your mouth like a wannabe smart ass.

As Happy-Q-Boy said, all this discussion is like a political debate in elementary school. Bunch of kids who think they know how things work, "debating". Nice one!

your stupid

[normal josh]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

Spookys not just another party, it's a tradition. Halloween just isn't Halloween if it isn't spooky.. or twisted for that matter. It would be like summer without an Apex. I'll be proud to rock it at my fourth Spooky this year.

is it just me, or has there not even been one spooky yet this year... come on miles, you have already been to 4 of them??

silly goose!!

[Atlantis77]

Originally Posted by iluvtechno

Atlantis77, Clearly you have no business sense what-so-ever. You demonstrate you have NO IDEA how the business world functions, nor do you have any idea how competition works.

Shut the fuck up and get some more education before you run your mouth like a wannabe smart ass.

As Happy-Q-Boy said, all this discussion is like a political debate in elementary school. Bunch of kids who think they know how things work, "debating". Nice one!

Congrats you just won runner up for my most ignorent person on this boards award!!



Missbehaviour and G-style . . . your posts have left me speachless!! You 2 pretty much summed up everything.
*applause to the both of you *

[Clayton.]

Originally Posted by omega_image

yup and tiesto...........

Ya that's an impressive line up wasn't that the last party sweet threw? i can't remember.

I just remember shit loads of people coming from there to spooky when the power went out.

[omega_image]

^yeah........they turned into amp (or amp bought them out)

[·•€£€M€N†§•·]

Originally Posted by Atlantis77

Congrats you just won runner up for my most ignorent person on this boards award!!



Missbehaviour and G-style . . . your posts have left me speachless!! You 2 pretty much summed up everything.
*applause to the both of you *

lol..yep

[Atlantis77]

Originally Posted by omega_image

^yeah........they turned into amp (or amp bought them out)

that was soo much fun in its own weired way. But it was nust when ann savage started her set . . . with billy jean i think.

[omega_image]

thriller.............

[de-ken]

my response to MissBehavior's reply:

absolutely. yes... times have changed, but i totally understand if ppl refuse to accept their current circumstances and demand better, because that is how progress is made.

anyways... i am merely a casual observer of this whole drama unfolding. i could care less if the "scene" is becoming too commercialized, mainstream, or competitive for other ppl's liking. i am just making observations that i find to be ironic and doesn't make sense to me (e.g. how ppl complain about solid for their inactions which they decided on their own, rather than conforming to what everyone says they should be doing because "thats the way it should be"...)

AntennaBoy said it best: companies can do whatever they want... because it's a free country! there is no governing authority out there that dictates how the rave scene should function. so why not just respect ppl's decisions to do what they want (i.e. throw a halloween party) or to not do what they want (e.g. not do an apex stage and take a breather after putting on a big show like IMF).

this is just a hypothetical situation, but i wonder how u fnkers will respond when Twisted Productions (or any other major player) decide to "hang it up and retire" from all this drama. (and lets just pretend that if these major players retire, it pretty much means the end of massives for a long while.) surely u will respect their decision to move on to other things right? or are u gonna absolutely demand "NO! you cannot quit because u exist to serve us, the all-important ravers!" my point is: it doesnt seem fair to go lynching ppl just because they make their own independent decisions for their own independent reasons.