solid corp going to pull out something huge for dooms night?

[Kazuma]

I'm generalizing.

[Atlantis77]

oh ok. I was just wondering what the deale was with that specific event.
Anyways time to go to bed. Im feeling the effects of not havin a power nap.

[say_whut]

this thread is f'in hilarious! keep it up kids.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by optics

They have the power to do that and need no consent from anyone else because it is their show. It happens quite frequently and that is why they don't specify a specific price for the door sale tickets.

that's fuckin bullshit. i'm talking about solid saying "it is $10 at the door, come early" that's it.

i asked him specifically about it, and he said $10. and it wasn't like i pm'd him 4 months in advance. closer to a week or so.

re: apex, your attitude shows why you guys don't appreciate your customers. no such thing as a free meal? explain to me how small ass companies could afford to throw a stage at apex.

[Anjew]

hey stan, not all companies lost monies.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

ps: Solid did not participate in APEX b/c all the companies lost $ EXCEPT the company that were the hosts.

umm, if you didn't participate in apex, then how do you know that all of the companies lost money....the final pay-out hasn't even happened yet, they're still waiting on some of the ticket sales from out of town stores to be collected. whether or not you lose $ really depends on how much $ each stage spent on their production costs, and while some stages spent a lot there were others that couldn't have cost THAT much and will likely make money....we ran close to 10,000w AND had two out of town headliners, and we don't expect to lose much at all.....

don't slam what you can't understand.

[robyn]

Originally Posted by 4:20

karl needs to move to europe and SHUT THE FUCK UP about the tickets already.
in 2000-2001, everyone was selling fake tickets.
there's nothing new to it, newbie.
some people are so dense.

if you hate twisted and solid so much, move outta vancouver.

What the fuck? You're actually trying to justify a company selling fake tickets to their own party. You expect us to go out, drop $60 on a ticket and say OMG I HOPE THIS ONE'S REAL@#$!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by robyn

What the fuck? You're actually trying to justify a company selling fake tickets to their own party. You expect the us to go out, drop $60 on a ticket and say OMG I HOPE THIS ONE'S REAL@#$!

That is a very good point! Think about it for a second. The djs being imported to do the big show want a lot of this..$$,$$$....so if the ticket sales through the door or the ticket sales at the front door won't be enough..why not spread more tickets(fake) so that it can be a conspired plan to increase the revenue flow into everyone's pockets? Afterall, nothing is done for free these days ;)

[robyn]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

That is a very good point! Think about it for a second. The djs being imported to do the big show want a lot of this..$$,$$$....so if the ticket sales through the door or the ticket sales at the front door won't be enough..why not spread more tickets(fake) so that it can be a conspired plan to increase the revenue flow into everyone's pockets? Afterall, nothing is done for free these days ;)

And it was the only time we ever agreed on anything, ever...

[Antenna_Boy]

whatever, I was lucky I did not get screwed when I bought my Grande Finale ticket off a nammer scalper :D!!!

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by robyn

And it was the only time we ever agreed on anything, ever...

are you sure about that? :070: I swear that we agreed on something else in one of those horrible threads out there :) heheh

[robyn]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

are you sure about that? :070: I swear that we agreed on something else in one of those horrible threads out there :) heheh

Nope!

[-STAN-]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

that's fuckin bullshit. i'm talking about solid saying "it is $10 at the door, come early" that's it.

i asked him specifically about it, and he said $10. and it wasn't like i pm'd him 4 months in advance. closer to a week or so.

re: apex, your attitude shows why you guys don't appreciate your customers. no such thing as a free meal? explain to me how small ass companies could afford to throw a stage at apex.

We're justifying that the only production that is guranteed to earn $ are the host. Believe what you want. I'm just pointing out that most of the companies (not all) loses $ besides the host.

Are you gonna throw $ into your competitor's pocket? (e.g. Dooms Night help fund Spooky) Do you exactly know how much income is rolled in? Do you know exactly how much the concession rolled in? Do you get some of it? Its all up to the host. Well, its just kinda shady for us to invest in a show without knowing the EXACT numbers. How do you know if your share is right? Do the math - every company puts around $1500cdn plus lights & sounds setup. Why do companies have to pay $1500 to participate? The outdoor land + security / first aid + grass cutting + flyer + fencing + promotions doesn't cost like over $1500x20 = $30,000. If its for the people, a fee of around approx. $800-$600/company is more than enough to operate the show. Well, thats my rough estimation. Its probably incorrect. :( But ya... Its all POLITICS. My comment on "there's no such thing as a free meal" refers to how someone or a few are bond to make extra $ off the event even if several other companies loses money or cut short. Thats my opinion and I'm sure others will have their's too.

ps: karl - hmm..i'm pretty certain its only $10 for LOCALS night and with headliners its at least $15. Refer to the old link that i posted previously.
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=38234

[Jaytimer]

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

Are you gonna throw $ into your competitor's pocket?

Why should these companies have to be viewed as competitors? don't you think you promoters should be working together to better "the scene"?
Seems like alot of petty bullshit...IMO

[-STAN-]

Originally Posted by Jay_Time

Why should these companies have to be viewed as competitors? don't you think you promoters should be working together to better "the scene"?
Seems like alot of petty bullshit...IMO

its not "COMPANIES" - its company. If you don't notice by now - its Swing Kids hosting SPOOKY. I just edited and added the example.

[Jaytimer]

^ i haven't noticed that it was... due to the fact that niether twisted or swing kids have put up a thread in the promo section, other than that it's just hearsay(sp?).
We'll have to wait i guess.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

We're justifying that the only production that is guranteed to earn $ are the host. Believe what you want. I'm just pointing out that most of the companies (not all) loses $ besides the host.

once again, you're not involved, so you don't know that do you.....actually it looks like almost all of the companies involved will turn a profit this year.

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

Are you gonna throw $ into your competitor's pocket? (e.g. Dooms Night help fund Spooky) Do you exactly know how much income is rolled in? Do you know exactly how much the concession rolled in? Do you get some of it? Its all up to the host. Well, its just kinda shady for us to invest in a show without knowing the EXACT numbers. How do you know if your share is right?

we can look at the books anytime we want, beyond that it's the fact that most of us trust the organizers to be straight about the door. twisted has built up a lot of goodwill and trust over the years with other promoters, and i personally trust them not to screw me, at least not over what amounts to petty cash.....as for the concession, you're right they get it all, and i don't know what they make there, it's seperate......so what? i'll gladly let them run the concession and keep all the profit as a payback for all the work they do organizing the party. all i did was organize a stage, whcih honestly isn't that much work after you've been doing it for years. i didn't have to worry about security, first aid, flyers, land lease issues, deposits, site prep, toilets, police issues, or organizing and staffing the concession for that matter. Obviously as long as you view "twisted" as competition it makes no sense to participate, but at the same time you really seem somewhat ignorant of how the whole thing works...

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

Do the math - every company puts around $1500cdn plus lights & sounds setup. Why do companies have to pay $1500 to participate?

first off, it's $1000, not $1500.....second off, it's not a fee. you BUY 100 tickets at $10 a piece, and then you sell those 100 tickets for $10 a piece (or more) and BOOM, you're in, for a grand total of......$0......get it? all you then have to do is pay for a stage, basically a decent self powered rig, some lights, some scaffolding, some decorations, and some gas money for djs.....that's not really that expensive, especially if you already own most of that stuff already like we do. if not you should really be able to pull the whole thing off for under $2000 if you're smart about it. that said, if we wanted to we could have said fuck it on the friday before and walked and not done a stage and do you know what it would have cost us? that's right, $0, because we paid $1000, and we sold 100 tickets at $10 a piece...

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

The outdoor land + security / first aid + grass cutting + flyer + fencing + promotions doesn't cost like over $1500x20 = $30,000. If its for the people, a fee of around approx. $800-$600/company is more than enough to operate the show. Well, thats my rough estimation. Its probably incorrect.

actually, i think you're pretty damn close on the cost, but the money they get from promoters is 15x$1000=$15000, which doesn't cover everything, so twisted does put up a fair chunk of cash, more than any other company for sure. if it totally came pissing down thunderstorm and the roads washed out, well i know twisted would lose a hell of a lot more money than i would.

the reason apex is a party for the people is that where else are you going to get to see that much local talent (and some decent out-of-town guests) on that many stages for at most $20? no where, that's where.

don't want to sound like i'm all up on twisted, i don't go to their other parties, and i don't really like massives anyways, i certainly doubt i'll be at either doom's night or spooky for halloween, but i felt i had to correct you, you really don't have your facts straight about apex....

[Anjew]

^^ this post had a lot of heart.

[jim]

aaaaawwww...

I always wondered what it would be like to be pwned by jay auto.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

ps: Solid did not participate in APEX b/c all the companies lost $ EXCEPT the company that were the hosts.

So basically Solid Corp. doesnt want to be apart of things unless they are going to be making just as much as the people who hosted Apex?

That is complete bullshit in my opinion.

Why did I see smaller compaines who had a stage, but no Solid, oh because they only want to make madd money, so they didnt participate, whatever happened to just putting on a good show and amaze people with talent and a good time. No, now its just all about the money, damn some companies (I wont mention any names) are getting greedy and money hungry.

Yes I know it costs a lot to bring dj's in, and the venue, police, security, legalizing the venue etc etc, but really, at the end of the night, you guys are making quite the profit. I dont mind that, but when it comes down to a BIG company getting very stingy and not putting on a stage because they cant make a ton of money, thats very hurting.

Just out curiosity, did Twisted through every Plaza of Nations party? I wasnt around when the whoel Plaza scene was booming, so I didnt attend a party at the Plaza, but I've seen a LOT of videos of the parties that were thrown there, and how come I just dont see any parties like that anymore? With the lighting, the decorations, the setups? Is it just me or does it seem like some comapanies are slacking when it comes to the visuals?

The only party I saw that was decent with the lighting and visuals was IMF 2004. Oh well.

To all the companies that are throwing wicked sick parties, keep up the great work, I really appreciate then, dont get me wrong, and I dont mind paying the $20-$50 like I said if the music will be right. Props to anyone who has sat down and spent the time setting up a show, I have no idea what its like, or the hard work you guys keep putting into every show, so just keep up the work, go all out if possible, and people will keep coming back and paying the prices.

Cheers.

[Kazuma]

Twisted, Solid, Swing Kids, Uh-oh, Agroculture, Slinky and a lot of other older companies threw parties at Plaza. Some of the best were a long time ago by production companies that don't exsist anymore.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by optics

Twisted, Solid, Swing Kids, Uh-oh, Agroculture, Slinky and a lot of other older companies threw parties at Plaza. Some of the best were a long time ago by production companies that don't exsist anymore.

Thanks very much for clearing that up.

Parties at the Plaza looked soooooo sic, its a shame I missed them.

[-STAN-]

eight5 - reread all the post. Learn your facts first. Its not if Solid is going to make money or not at Apex. Its who hosts the event. POLITCS. (Would you want to indirectly fund your competition $? )

Automatic - thanks for the clearup on the pricing stuff. Trust in $ is a difficult task. There's always money leakage. Its hard to say and its everyones own opinion. Not saying that the there is leakage in $ but there's always a possibility especially when not every company has a representative at the door or know the exact # of sales. Even by looking at our own shows with one company, our balance doesn't exactly balance all time to the attendance/sales. *sigh* Think about multiple companies participating. As I stated everything said was based on assumption / estimation (and possible bias view) but you probably understand how its pretty awkward for Solid to participate in an event that is hosted by our competition. According to our source, there were Spooky posters everywhere. Once again, politics.

Cheers.

ps: This discussion is awesome :) wasn't this topic focus about the upcoming event dooms night? By the way - the lineup will be announced soon. We got a few new acts that haven't played before at a Vancouver massive plus the local lineup that we're assembling is strong.

[Kraig]

A reply directly from Salim Lakhani, President of Swing Kids Entertainment:

"APEX was paid for the first 2 years by Swing Kids at a cost of over 60K. So the concession goes to Swing Kids as a way of repayment for the first 2 years with over 120K invested when we did it for free for the people but free does not really mean free, it means someone has to pay for security, staging and everything else that has to be paid for.

I have yet to see Solid Corp. do anything for the scene except try and make money any way they can from it. In fact, members from Solid took a stage once at apex but when it seemed like there would be no money made due to poor ticket sales, they did not show up with a stage leaving the other promoters hanging. I do not have a problem with people making money, but it needs to be done in a respectable manner.

Stan you know what I am talking about. Slander will get you know where.

My company has been around in a large capacity for over 11 years. There is a reason most companies come and go, they do not have long term thinking and they do not take risks. They hop on board for a ride when there is money to be made and then move on to something else.

It's something to think about. People who are always questioning the trust and honesty of others are usually questioning the trust and honesty of themselves and tend to project the fear of themselves on to others. In the end, the good guys win so I know I have nothing to be worried about.

Be good! have fun! and stay young!"

[G-Style]

My biggest comment to all of this is competition.......? When did the scene become a competition......? Swing Kids, Twisted, Agro, Slinky and many other companies have worked in harmony aiding each others parties and helping each other out by not double booking dates and times. As this thread is referring to Dooms NIght I will coment on this. Spooky has been in affect and running for almost 10 years. No one has ever touched it because it has always been known as twisted event night. I am waiting to see if you launch a party on New Years (play), Valentines (kiss). It seems to me that there is only one entity in this equation that is creating the competition and complications in the scene. All the promoters in this city want to be treated like buisness men then I ask you to start acting like it! Why not sit down at a conference table and hash out whos doing what shows on what dates. I can supply the conference table and a closed room at no cost to any of the promoters. If for a single minute you can concieve of this idea you will reallize from a scene stand point there will be more massives and partys in general. On a buissness standing point not having the competition on the same night you will make larger profits or hopefully be able to spend the extra money on the production and deliver the best possible event. This "problem" has such a simple solution if people would simply check egos at the door and work together. I do not wish for this to sound condesending in any way shape or form I just want to see everyone make the scene the best it can be and to put on shows that will blow this audience away. I know that this para graph will fall on dead ears but if you hear one thing out of this hear this...........LISTEN TO YOUR AUDIENCE.