solid corp going to pull out something huge for dooms night?

[Kraig]

Originally Posted by G-Style

My biggest comment to all of this is competition.......? When did the scene become a competition......? Swing Kids, Twisted, Agro, Slinky and many other companies have worked in harmony aiding each others parties and helping each other out by not double booking dates and times. As this thread is referring to Dooms NIght I will coment on this. Spooky has been in affect and running for almost 10 years. No one has ever touched it because it has always been known as twisted event night. I am waiting to see if you launch a party on New Years (play), Valentines (kiss). It seems to me that there is only one entity in this equation that is creating the competition and complications in the scene. All the promoters in this city want to be treated like buisness men then I ask you to start acting like it! Why not sit down at a conference table and hash out whos doing what shows on what dates. I can supply the conference table and a closed room at no cost to any of the promoters. If for a single minute you can concieve of this idea you will reallize from a scene stand point there will be more massives and partys in general. On a buissness standing point not having the competition on the same night you will make larger profits or hopefully be able to spend the extra money on the production and deliver the best possible event. This "problem" has such a simple solution if people would simply check egos at the door and work together. I do not wish for this to sound condesending in any way shape or form I just want to see everyone make the scene the best it can be and to put on shows that will blow this audience away. I know that this para graph will fall on dead ears but if you hear one thing out of this hear this...........LISTEN TO YOUR AUDIENCE.

BRAVO... this post has got to be the most logical out of anything I have read in the multiple threads on this subject. (Other than what Salim and Jay posted).

Four words - "It just makes sense."

[Atlantis77]

Originally Posted by HaPpY-Q-BoY

eight5 - reread all the post. Learn your facts first. Its not if Solid is going to make money or not at Apex. Its who hosts the event. POLITCS. (Would you want to indirectly fund your competition $? )

Automatic - thanks for the clearup on the pricing stuff. Trust in $ is a difficult task. There's always money leakage. Its hard to say and its everyones own opinion. Not saying that the there is leakage in $ but there's always a possibility especially when not every company has a representative at the door or know the exact # of sales. Even by looking at our own shows with one company, our balance doesn't exactly balance all time to the attendance/sales. *sigh* Think about multiple companies participating. As I stated everything said was based on assumption / estimation (and possible bias view) but you probably understand how its pretty awkward for Solid to participate in an event that is hosted by our competition. According to our source, there were Spooky posters everywhere. Once again, politics.

Cheers.

ps: This discussion is awesome :) wasn't this topic focus about the upcoming event dooms night? By the way - the lineup will be announced soon. We got a few new acts that haven't played before at a Vancouver massive plus the local lineup that we're assembling is strong.

The simple fact that you keep referring to other companies as your COMPETITION makes Your opinion VOID and makes me question Solid Corps integrity and credibility. I dont understand why you would look at other promoters as a big threat?? Companies have always worked alongside each other and pulled off GREATE SHOWS!!


ps. Kraig, thnx for that last post

[-STAN-]

Originally Posted by Kraig

A reply directly from Salim Lakhani, President of Swing Kids Entertainment:

"APEX was paid for the first 2 years by Swing Kids at a cost of over 60K. So the concession goes to Swing Kids as a way of repayment for the first 2 years with over 120K invested when we did it for free for the people but free does not really mean free, it means someone has to pay for security, staging and everything else that has to be paid for.

I have yet to see Solid Corp. do anything for the scene except try and make money any way they can from it. In fact, members from Solid took a stage once at apex but when it seemed like there would be no money made due to poor ticket sales, they did not show up with a stage leaving the other promoters hanging. I do not have a problem with people making money, but it needs to be done in a respectable manner.

Stan you know what I am talking about. Slander will get you know where.

My company has been around in a large capacity for over 11 years. There is a reason most companies come and go, they do not have long term thinking and they do not take risks. They hop on board for a ride when there is money to be made and then move on to something else.

It's something to think about. People who are always questioning the trust and honesty of others are usually questioning the trust and honesty of themselves and tend to project the fear of themselves on to others. In the end, the good guys win so I know I have nothing to be worried about.

Be good! have fun! and stay young!"

We're not disrespecting / attacking you -- we're just pointing out the various possiblities. Plus everything said is put as "assumptions" not facts. I've always supported Swing Kids, and Twisted. I've been selling tickets for them like by the bundles even when Solid was formed till Crave this year. You've been in the scene for over 11 years and you know the ropes more than we do. But, we're a new generation of promoters and we're pushing the bar for every promoter to produce higher caliber shows for the city. We have yet to do anything in particular in the scene but we did raise the bar in the caliber of shows in Vancouver. And lost a total of around $60k in last year's imf2003 and this year's imf2004 combined together in doing so. Its ironic, how everybody thinks its easy to make $ in this scene. If it was easy, where's the rest of the big companies? Lastly, there is no fear on us, "People who are always questioning the trust and honesty of others are usually questioning the trust and honesty of themselves and tend to project the fear of themselves on to others." Those people are usually the most vulnerable being taken advantage of (not saying that your company would/will) and as businessmen -- we all know that we should always have our guards up.

ps: Are you 100% certain that every companies gets along internally? Its only the forefront. Ask around the old big companies. Its drama city internally. We're not referring to all companies as competitors. Its evident that only 2-3 major companies are competiting right now. sheesh... you can even see competition with underground shows against each other. Spooky is tradition and Dooms Night will be something fresh. Both will be great shows. PERIOD.

This thread is changing into a political debate. *sigh* We should focus back on the topic of the positive sides of the halloween shows and all promoters should sit down & plan out a calendar for 2005.

[G-Style]

Originally Posted by Kraig

Four words - "It just makes sense."

Cheers!

[de-ken]

Originally Posted by Atlantis77

Companies have always worked alongside each other and pulled off GREATE SHOWS!!

[sarcasm] riiiiiiight [/sarcasm]

[-STAN-]

This thread is reminding me of a political debate in my social studies class back in highschool. :058:

[vee_baby69]

both shows are gonna be good..=)...i agree...

[jimboski]

Yes halloween is a time to have fun~ 2 events for the PEOPLE to choose~ and both events WILL BE MASSIVE, so party on people!~ all respect~ cheers

Jimmy Chou

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by vee_baby69

i only got vip so i wouldnt have to wait in the line up....

what a waste of money. i j ust cut into the front on the line haha

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by trance4life

apex is an outdoors party not a customer appreciation rave.

How did someone put it before. APEX is a party for the people by the people.

Think about it, people who party, promote etc..

They throw APEX for the people to showcase their dj's but also as kind of a thank you. At least thats my take on it. Sounds pretty customer appreciative to me.

[Anjew]

ok time... for boodang to end this.
we will throw a halloween party

[Clayton.]

Originally Posted by KenJi

what a waste of money. i j ust cut into the front on the line haha

haha i always do that, usually drunk.

[Blankshots]

I'd go to spooky, but I am no longer partying, and doom's night, well that will either be a party that sticks around or get's wiped out by everyone attending spooky and not dooms night, I say let's see where this goes, after halloween,
btw I have a baby comming and will not be here to see which way it does....

Enjoy the party's on halloween all, it is after all, JUST ABOUT THE VIBE!!!!

[MissBehavior]

Originally Posted by G-Style

My biggest comment to all of this is competition.......? When did the scene become a competition......? Swing Kids, Twisted, Agro, Slinky and many other companies have worked in harmony aiding each others parties and helping each other out by not double booking dates and times. As this thread is referring to Dooms NIght I will coment on this. Spooky has been in affect and running for almost 10 years. No one has ever touched it because it has always been known as twisted event night. I am waiting to see if you launch a party on New Years (play), Valentines (kiss). It seems to me that there is only one entity in this equation that is creating the competition and complications in the scene. All the promoters in this city want to be treated like buisness men then I ask you to start acting like it! Why not sit down at a conference table and hash out whos doing what shows on what dates. I can supply the conference table and a closed room at no cost to any of the promoters. If for a single minute you can concieve of this idea you will reallize from a scene stand point there will be more massives and partys in general. On a buissness standing point not having the competition on the same night you will make larger profits or hopefully be able to spend the extra money on the production and deliver the best possible event. This "problem" has such a simple solution if people would simply check egos at the door and work together. I do not wish for this to sound condesending in any way shape or form I just want to see everyone make the scene the best it can be and to put on shows that will blow this audience away. I know that this para graph will fall on dead ears but if you hear one thing out of this hear this...........LISTEN TO YOUR AUDIENCE.

AWESOME post, man. :y::y:

Alright, here's the perspective of someone who's been doing this a while.

I started partying 6.5 years ago (big deal, whoop-di-doo, I know). But what I remember from back then is that the different promotion companies had ALOT more respect for one another. Swing Kids and Spooky's main competition back then was Sweet (oh, back in the day, for those of you who remember!). When it came to a big event like Halloween, Valentine's day, Xmas, and pretty much any other big holiday (other than New Years), the events were spaced out. Sweet would throw "SWEET GETS WICKED" the week before Halloween, and Swing Kids would throw Spooky the next (or vice versa). YES they were competition, but they respected each other and each other's business.

It really makes me sad to see to see what depths some of the promoters in this town have descended to. Back then, even though there was competition, there was still a sense of camraderie. As much as everyone wanted to make money, it was more about trying to "further" the Vancouver scene as a whole than focusing on the money.

I have ALOT of respect for Swing Kids, because if it weren't for them and Spooky and everything else that they do, (and I KNOW this is going to cause argument of its own) most of the Vancouver scene probably would have died out a long time ago. There wouldn't be massives with gigantic headliners. The underground would have survived (it has a tendency to do that), but there's no way they could have brought in some of the talent that we've seen here in recent years (Brooklyn Bounce, Armin, Keoki, PVD, etc.) They are the ONLY big promoters in town who have stood the test of time. Sweet? Gone. ET Bros? Done. Exert? Nada. Loungex? The site sits there mocking all who remember the *glory*.

The "new" promoters need to give credit where it's due, and show some respect to the people whose efforts have allowed them to continue to make an almighty dollar. Stop biting the hand that feeds you. And the kids who came in during the reign of the Plaza, and now expect that to be the norm of all parties...Wow... Fucking spoiled. Consider yourselves lucky that that place had such a great run. There is NO OTHER VENUE in Vancouver like it for convenience of travel or just as the venue itself. That place ROCKED.

People wonder why I say PLUR is dead? Look to the top of the Pyramid...It trickles downwards. The big companies are fighting for "RAVE SUPREMACY", not working together, and slagging one another along the way. Where's the P L U R in that?

Anyways, I'm done ranting now.

Flame away.

[Séguin]

Ya, I think people who are more likely to go to one party then another on the same date, will be apart of two different crowds. Therefore eliminating the means of competition.

Edit: I'm tired, if someone wants to make better sence of that, please do.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

AWESOME post, man. :y::y:

Alright, here's the perspective of someone who's been doing this a while.

I started partying 6.5 years ago (big deal, whoop-di-doo, I know). But what I remember from back then is that the different promotion companies had ALOT more respect for one another. Swing Kids and Spooky's main competition back then was Sweet (oh, back in the day, for those of you who remember!). When it came to a big event like Halloween, Valentine's day, Xmas, and pretty much any other big holiday (other than New Years), the events were spaced out. Sweet would throw "SWEET GETS WICKED" the week before Halloween, and Swing Kids would throw Spooky the next (or vice versa). YES they were competition, but they respected each other and each other's business.

It really makes me sad to see to see what depths some of the promoters in this town have descended to. Back then, even though there was competition, there was still a sense of camraderie. As much as everyone wanted to make money, it was more about trying to "further" the Vancouver scene as a whole than focusing on the money.

I have ALOT of respect for Swing Kids, because if it weren't for them and Spooky and everything else that they do, (and I KNOW this is going to cause argument of its own) most of the Vancouver scene probably would have died out a long time ago. There wouldn't be massives with gigantic headliners. The underground would have survived (it has a tendency to do that), but there's no way they could have brought in some of the talent that we've seen here in recent years (Brooklyn Bounce, Armin, Keoki, PVD, etc.) They are the ONLY big promoters in town who have stood the test of time. Sweet? Gone. ET Bros? Done. Exert? Nada. Loungex? The site sits there mocking all who remember the *glory*.

The "new" promoters need to give credit where it's due, and show some respect to the people whose efforts have allowed them to continue to make an almighty dollar. Stop biting the hand that feeds you. And the kids who came in during the reign of the Plaza, and now expect that to be the norm of all parties...Wow... Fucking spoiled. Consider yourselves lucky that that place had such a great run. There is NO OTHER VENUE in Vancouver like it for convenience of travel or just as the venue itself. That place ROCKED.

People wonder why I say PLUR is dead? Look to the top of the Pyramid...It trickles downwards. The big companies are fighting for "RAVE SUPREMACY", not working together, and slagging one another along the way. Where's the P L U R in that?

Anyways, I'm done ranting now.

Flame away.

YOU GO MISSBEHAVIOUR :konrad: !!!! YOU RULE :tounge1: !!!! YOU KNOW THE SHIT!!! :339: I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN THAT! :somatic: Sooo....work together and respect those promoters that have been around longer than you. The last thing we need is a bunch of snot-head assholes :289: who think they are better than their respected "competition" :242:

[KenJi]

^ its not about respect promoters who have been around longer. Its more about working together with those have been around for long, or not.

Its simply a state that everything now is competition. Difference being friendly competition and just plain ol money competition. Which seriously is all I see Solid really being. Every post I have read on the last few pages is Solid talking about assumptions, and we would have lost money etc..

any ways ya this thread is becoming actually good to read in that keeps your head in the game way.

[KenJi]

Remember the days like new years 2000, 2001 with millenium, that e.t new years party and i think exert threw a party on that new years eve as well. now those were some crazy times

[Clayton.]

Ya that millenium party was crazy i think that was the most packed i've ever seen the party.

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Atlantis77

The simple fact that you keep referring to other companies as your COMPETITION makes Your opinion VOID and makes me question Solid Corps integrity and credibility. I dont understand why you would look at other promoters as a big threat?? Companies have always worked alongside each other and pulled off GREATE SHOWS!!


ps. Kraig, thnx for that last post

Oh you make me sick can you stop sucking dick for a second and listen to yourself. It's quite evident that Twisted and Swing Kids are competitors to Solid Corporation. You can't expect competitors to put things aside and just tell them to hug and pretend nothing happened. Let me put things into prospective for you it's like the owner of Microsoft is competing againest Apple. You can't expect Bill Gates to step aside and hope to cooperate with the Owner of Apple (whoever that may be). Do you get the picture yet? Or no?

Reality is this Dooms Night is on the same night on Spooky, but this isn't the FIRST TIME this has happened so why is this such a big deal NOW when it probably wasn't back than?

[Clayton.]

There was a party at coliseum same night as spooky5 put on by sweet, both party's were packed. More people come out for the halloween party's i think both would do alright.

[Atlantis77]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Oh you make me sick can you stop sucking dick for a second and listen to yourself. It's quite evident that Twisted and Swing Kids are competitors to Solid Corporation. You can't expect competitors to put things aside and just tell them to hug and pretend nothing happened. Let me put things into prospective for you it's like the owner of Microsoft is competing againest Apple. You can't expect Bill Gates to step aside and hope to cooperate with the Owner of Apple (whoever that may be). Do you get the picture yet? Or no?

Reality is this Dooms Night is on the same night on Spooky, but this isn't the FIRST TIME this has happened so why is this such a big deal NOW when it probably wasn't back than?

if there was an award for the most ignorent person on this board, i would without a doubt give it to your sorry ass. I dunno how you got "# 1 twisted fan" from what i posted. If you say that your company is striving to better "the scene" ACT like it. Work along side the other promoters to do so. Havnt you read everyone elses posts?? Respect other companies. Even if the agreements is only surface deep. Keep the mutual respect for one another, especially towards longer running companies!! You keep running your mouth whenever you see fit as if you know everything about everything that goes on in the "rave world" If your gonna label me as cocksukin tiwsted lover freak, i wonder what you have to say about happy q boy!! I never once defended twisted or any other prmotion company, i simply posted my opinion about the matter after reading other peoples posts!! And if i was wrong i corrected myself and thanked the person for informing me. If there is somethin shady going on i will post about it cuz i want to know what the fuck is going on in our community. And if you read my previous posts, i said im goin to the show that has a headliner that matches my music preference. So do us all a favor, learn how to read . . . sounds familiar to you??

[de-ken]

omg haha this thread is too hilarious!! everyone is just talking about how things SHOULD be and the "good ol' rave days"... rather than accepting how the way things ARE and the fact that times have changed.

i find it ironic how ppl are accusing solid about being greedy and being only out there to make a quick buck and not throwing "customer appreciation" parties... even though when solid does throw a party, ppl still go and end up praising them for bringing in good talent. i mean... just look at the IMF event review thread. majority of the reviews are positive... everyone seemed to have a good time judging by that thread. but now everyone is complaining "oh but solid only throws parties to make money!" and yet ppl still go to solid parties and have a good time?? this is leaving me puzzled, scratching my head....

[omega_image]

i remember sweet gets wicked........same night @ spooky 5...........for some odd reason the power went out, according to staff a car hit a power box.........kinda suspicious if u ask me

[iluvtechno]

Originally Posted by Atlantis77

The simple fact that you keep referring to other companies as your COMPETITION makes Your opinion VOID and makes me question Solid Corps integrity and credibility. I dont understand why you would look at other promoters as a big threat?? Companies have always worked alongside each other and pulled off GREATE SHOWS!!


ps. Kraig, thnx for that last post

Atlantis77, Clearly you have no business sense what-so-ever. You demonstrate you have NO IDEA how the business world functions, nor do you have any idea how competition works.

Shut the fuck up and get some more education before you run your mouth like a wannabe smart ass.

As Happy-Q-Boy said, all this discussion is like a political debate in elementary school. Bunch of kids who think they know how things work, "debating". Nice one!