Did you vote today?

[Vitamin-X]

ahhh, back in the good-ol-days when French Catholics couldn't hold public office.

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Alex

The Cons would have a landslide majority if the Bloc was barred from running(They finished 2nd behind the Bloc in the majority of their 50 seats). Personally I think they have no right to run a party federally with the sole purpose of pandering to 1 province. It's a waste of funding and it impedes progress in our government.

So judging by this thread, it's only a waste of funding if some other party is doing it, when your own party burns money it's awesome!

[brit]

Well atleast now we can all get back to focusing on what's realllllllly important......

Barack vrs douche debate on now.

Originally Posted by Grapes

Or Bob Rae, or anyone but Dion.

His days should be numbered now.

This does set the table for a new, charismatic Liberal leader to rise up and take the party where it needs to go in the next election.. perhaps someone with a familiar last name?..

Pirre Obama has a nice ring to it.

[Grapes]

Qu'est que fuck?

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Or Bob Rae, or anyone but Dion.

His days should be numbered now.

This does set the table for a new, charismatic Liberal leader to rise up and take the party where it needs to go in the next election.. perhaps someone with a familiar last name?..

Replace Liberal with Republican, and you have something eerily similar to the year 2000 in the States...

[stephen_c]

pathetic!


Voter turnout across Canada
CBC.ca - Canada Votes - Voter turnout drops to record low

British Columbia ------ 61.0%
Alberta ------ 52.9%
Saskatchewan ------ 59.4%
Manitoba ------ 56.8%
Ontario ------ 59.1%
Quebec ------ 61.1%
Newfoundland and Labrador ------ 48.1%
New Brunswick ------ 62.8%
Nova Scotia ------ 60.7%
P.E.I. ------ 69.5%
Northwest Territories ------ 48.6%
Yukon ------ 63.7%
Nunavut ------ 49.4%

Originally Posted by Alex

Furthermore, this election is good news and was good timing for anybody who IS a Conservative supporter whether they understand it or not. The only people who didn't want this election were the supporters of the other parties. Why would Harper pander to the enemy parties and supporters?

Really are you sure conservative voters are just as happy to spend $300,000,000 tax dollars to change a few seats? Thats $9 each Canadian could of had back in their pocket for a minor change.

Even if you think that it made conservative voters happy, they're only 38%of the 58% of Canadians who voted. In other words only 5,187,003 out of 32,000,000 (1/6) Canadians supported the conservative party.

Finally if you still think this election was worth Harper taking the risk of winning a majority government... he should of taken into consideration the public mock polls going on for the past month. Those polls were nearly as accurate at the actual outcome. Harper was a Hippocrate to call this election on such short notice and he only wanted it now so he didnt have to have one when our economy hits the ground.

I dont think Myra is naive at all, in fact this is just an other pime example of a party wasting tax dollars for their own benefit.

[Alex]

1. Your stats are so off, you're assuming every Canadian COULD vote(Permanent Resident's can't, youth under 18 can't etc etc)

2. You're assuming that those who didn't vote, don't support the Conservatives. I know of 2 ridings which many, many, MANY people didn't vote because a conservative landslide was inevitable(a good 10+ of my friends/staff didn't vote because they felt it didn't matter and wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with them and I still voted, but James Moore won by something like 30,000 votes.) Also, my home town(in Alberta) many of my friends and even a few family members didn't bother voting because they knew what was coming. Again the Conservative candidate won by well over 20,000 votes.

Also please read what I posted. Regardless of forming a Majority or not, the Conservatives still won. The liberals are weakened completely and still the official opposition. They lost a LOT of support, and spent money on the election they DIDN'T HAVE. Now they are going to have to spend a lot of money on ANOTHER leadership election they CAN'T AFFORD. They still owe money on the LAST Leadership election, to to mention what they borrowed for the Federal Election. They're crippled. They can;t afford, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, another Federal Election. What does this mean? They will vote WITH the Conservatives to appease them. This is by far, the second best result the Cons could have wished for other than a majority government. As a Conservative supporter, I am happy with the results.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Alex

1. Your stats are so off, you're assuming every Canadian COULD vote(Permanent Resident's can't, youth under 18 can't etc etc)

2. You're assuming that those who didn't vote, don't support the Conservatives. I know of 2 ridings which many, many, MANY people didn't vote because a conservative landslide was inevitable(a good 10+ of my friends/staff didn't vote because they felt it didn't matter and wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with them and I still voted, but James Moore won by something like 30,000 votes.) Also, my home town(in Alberta) many of my friends and even a few family members didn't bother voting because they knew what was coming. Again the Conservative candidate won by well over 20,000 votes.

Also please read what I posted. Regardless of forming a Majority or not, the Conservatives still won. The liberals are weakened completely and still the official opposition. They lost a LOT of support, and spent money on the election they DIDN'T HAVE. Now they are going to have to spend a lot of money on ANOTHER leadership election they CAN'T AFFORD. They still owe money on the LAST Leadership election, to to mention what they borrowed for the Federal Election. They're crippled. They can;t afford, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, another Federal Election. What does this mean? They will vote WITH the Conservatives to appease them. This is by far, the second best result the Cons could have wished for other than a majority government. As a Conservative supporter, I am happy with the results.

yo alex suck my dick and go back to chilliwack. mufuckah


your views are posined you dont know a god damn thing. me im voting for the walrus party they aint never lied to me.

[Courtney]

Alex,the reason you think like this is because you grew up in an ignorant family...your parents know nothing and now you know nothing....and the cycle continues. When you produce kids you are gonna instill in them these retarded views too and its going to be like the duracel bunny....
it keeps going and going and going.......

so sad.

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by Courtney

Alex,the reason you think like this is because you grew up in an ignorant family...your parents know nothing and now you know nothing....and the cycle continues. When you produce kids you are gonna instill in them these retarded views too and its going to be like the duracel bunny....
it keeps going and going and going.......

so sad.

...Energizer Bunny...

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Replace Liberal with Republican, and you have something eerily similar to the year 2000 in the States...

How are you going to replace Canada's Liberal party with the American Republican party???

If you recall, they don't exactly see eye to eye on things like.. oh.. the war in Iraq.

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by Grapes

How are you going to replace Canada's Liberal party with the American Republican party???

If you recall, they don't exactly see eye to eye on things like.. oh.. the war in Iraq.

That's not what I meant.

"This does set the table for a new, charismatic Republican leader to rise up and take the party where it needs to go in the next election.. perhaps someone with a familiar last name?.."

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Courtney

Alex,the reason you think like this is because you grew up in an ignorant family...your parents know nothing and now you know nothing....and the cycle continues. When you produce kids you are gonna instill in them these retarded views too and its going to be like the duracel bunny....
it keeps going and going and going.......

so sad.

Holy christ you are an idiot. For the record my mom is a socialist through and through, I disagree with her on nearly everything, and my dad really isn't all to political-however he is a successful business owner. Not being socialist doesn't mean not being educated. Do you grasp that others are able to have an opinion other than your own?

[Courtney]

ok well thats even worse you are actually educated and still chose conservative, and you can't even blame your upbringing or lack of knowledge

[Courtney]

hey alex I know I'm not making any legit enough points I just hate conservative so I need to go all radical on them, I mean your entitled to your own choices etc. but it just annoys me !

[Alex]

Socialism annoys me. Socialism will bring about de-evolution of humanity. Not to mention it always seems to be the choice in regions and at times in which sustaining it is next to impossible. Unfortunately governments have a thing called budget's and a certain amount of money they have to allocate. It's very nice to say 'who cares just go in to debt, borrow money blah blah blah' but have you ever tried to do that personally? Interest payments pile up, and you're left with less and less money. Take a page from Alberta's book, massive cuts about a decade ago in government programs, coupled with massive tax cuts(especially for business's) which caused a massive increase in business(and therefore actual tax revenue) for the province(oil didn;t hurt but wasn;t the only factor...) Now Alberta spends more money on it's program's(health care, education.. etc) than any other province(and it pays off, in the latest international tests Alberta placed above every other province, in every subject, at every age group). The more money you have, the less interest you're paying, the more you can spend.

[Courtney]

I know and I get thats all fine and dandy but unless you happen to be one of the lucky few, a conservative,capitalist world just 'aint fair! and sure, life isn't fair but honestly someone can be smart,capable and motivated but if they happen to grow up in a less fortunate environment life is going to be tough for them and I think there has to be some acknowledgment of that. The average canadian student is going to come out of school with 40 grand debt. Now if someone happens to be brought up in a middle class family that pays for schooling then hey thats great for them, they get the credentials and they are out in the world stress free with everything to gain. The same person with the same credentials who has the 40 grand student loan debt may at some point get there, but its going to be a hell of a lot tougher and the likeliness that their success will exceed the lucky one is pretty minimal. I think from an economic standpoint then yes conservative might make sense but In terms of human equality and social justice it just lacks the necessary ideologies to try to work on the structural problems of society. I understand that it may seem impossible or pointless to you but we have created this mess and I think as humans we have a responsibility to each other to make things fair for everyone rather than just focus on thier own benefit. I'm not a communist I think in theory it works but human nature has proven that it just doesn't work. All I'm saying is give everyone the same access to health care,education...and then it's fair game (at least fairer then now). I'm sure there's still going to be issues- but come on give everyone a chance man!

[Alex]

I never said anyone doesn't deserve a chance. Everyone deserves a chance. Socialism isn't the answer, I'm sorry but it's not. It doesn't work, it's de-motivational, and in the long run in detrimental to humanity.

For the record I don't support the Conservative government whole heartedly. I view them as the lesser of evils and vote for them because of it. I am a capitalist, in the IDEALIST sense of it's meaning. Current capitalism gives far too much weight to family name's and has many many flaws. But again I say, I believe socialism to be a greater threat.

I view capitalism and socialism the same. Both may sound great on paper, but realistically after every generation the respective systems flaws cause massive deterioration. Socialism's flaws will be more detrimental to humanity.

I'm writing my ideal form of set up now. I haven't yet named it but it can be described as a 'One Generation Capitalist reward system' with heavy Government control/regulations delegated to private companies. It's way too hard to elaborate beyond that.

[Courtney]

I think its pretty obvious that I have no economic background. Perhaps my argument would have more legitimacy if I had a clearer grasp of that...However, I do think that my little human equality argument has to count for something :)

[Alex]

humans are not all equal. If you're going to be a Social Work you need to realize that. I worked as a community rehab worker for 2 years. I didn't enjoy it. My mother is an absolute Socialist in many ways, and ran a Vocational Service for 20 years, teaching and lecturing other professionals in the field. However, she is far from believing humans are equal. She even advocates(in private) for bringing back sterilization of the severely mentally disabled. She has seen far too many cases of two mentally ill or disabled individuals 'choosing' to have a child, and basically ruining that child's life before it starts.

[Courtney]

I understand what you are saying but I think that socialism affords much greater opportunity for humans as individuals.

and yes
Out with the private sector!!!!!!!
the more public the better

oh Yah and in regards to the whole developing worlds stuff,the world bank ,WTO and IMF may be more of a help if they actually implemented and went through with everything they have claimed to!!!!!!!
just fucking relieve the debt that we've gotten these poor countries into!!!!

[Courtney]

I think the developing world situation pretty much represents on a bigger scale what capitalim really does...what happens with them happens within smaller societies too, and its just fucked!!!!
its all about sustainability and infrastructure
and on a smaller scale education and healthy care help with this!

[Courtney]

anyways this is all falling upon deaf eyes (ha)
which tends to happen