Would you support opening the border to young Americans so we can escape Bush's hell?

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Ashes

So you are saying, if this exact situation was backwards (save your posts, yes i know, CANADIANS would NEVER do this...) you wouldn't even think about leaving?

I consider myself a citizen of the world before i consider myself a canadian, so to answer your question yeah i would leave, there are alot of places you can go and live a good life. hell if you're not a looser(or if you can ignore the cyclical nature of social conservatism's popularity) the U.S is one of the best places in the world to live(tied with canada on the UN's Human development index) the fact of the matter is I plan on leaving this country and going wherever i can make the most money. Ill come back to vancouver because i think its a good place to live and raise a family even if it isnt the best place to make money. As for canada outside of vancouver...fuck em


the real reason rawb told you to stay in the united states is because we dont want you here, hahaha.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

it's kinda funny how ppl are arguing over this.
americans are already up here in droves.
alot of high-end condos downtown are owned by americans.

Alot of european's and asians own the same high end condo's so it dosnt really mean anyhting more then that vancouver is a nice place to hang out especially when whistler is so close.

An educated guess would be that those condos are not their primary residence

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Maybe not in the formal sense. But in the sense that 70% of your economy depends on ours. Our companies (which we own) have a large stake in your country.

lets do a little math.

according to stats canada as of 2002 (and i have to mention that this has changed quite a bit in the intervening 3 years as China and others have become increasingly important trade partners) the united states accounted for 83% of our exports, and trade accounts for around 40% of our national GDP. therefore the untied states accounts for 33.2% of our GDP for trade and im sure that undervalues their true signifigance by a few percentage points as much of the capital inflows into canada in the form of FDI are attributable to american investors.

now you may think thats significant but given the nature of the global economy it really dosnt mean shit. look at the deficets and trade imbalances that the united states has been running for the last 3 years. the u/.s is the most profilgate mother fuckers on the planet, who do you think is funding these deficets and trade imbalances? the central banks of South Korea and china own most of your debt and the rest of the world has been increasingly hesitant to continue to fund america's outragousely unsustainable levels of consumption. once the asian central banks decide that american debt is too risky and decide to diversy their foreign exchange reserves(the south oreans have already made signals) you're fucked...you cant amke these sweeping statements of economic superiority and independance because the reality of our current situation is that the whole world is dependant on each other and it is becoming increasingly so.

welcome to globalization bitches..

[cubed]

This is the point in the thread where ashes doesn't reply back because she's been proven wrong in her sweeping statements; but more importantly it's because a majority of it has gone right over her head.

[BongMan]

This made me smile cause it is so very true.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by Liam

all I think ashes was trying to say was that a lot of american corporations are buying out canadian business... "The Vanishing Country" by Mel Hurtig goes into this...

I worded it that way to get your attention. I didn't intend any offense, and I really don't feel like we OWN you. That's not really it. I was simply trying to point out how closely tied our economies are. I am not saying we are the only fuel to your economy, but rather, that we have a lot to do with EACHOTHERS fiscal stature.

Sungoo- I said We not I and we as in the states, not me because I will soon not be part of it.

But its all good.

Diva- you make way too many assumptions considering you just bump in and out of this thread, and don't know anything about me. how do you know whether or not i could get into canada? the requirements are different for every age group. & hey, replying when i can't reply to you-- thats cool.whatevs.

ps-"sweeping statements of economic superiority?" when did i ever say, hey, our economy is better than yours!! hahaha... i didn't.

I just wanted ta stir some shit up and get more than 3 ppl on this thread. looks like it workd. :)

Just because I say these things doesn't mean I nessecarily believe all of them, I mean seriously, what kind of discussion would it be if there wasn't controversial issues?

cubed - no dear, that was the point in the thread when i left work, and forgot fnk for another day... i am not so tied to this website that i need to spend any of my FREE time on it.. forget that. I went out n did my other job.

ps- RAWB - One thing i think you are seriously missing in your arguments about leaving being "running away". Even if i live abroad, I can still VOTE. I.e. I still have stake in whats going on, and am not just leaving all the bible thumpers to their whims.

Another thing... think about it. Out of the say 300 people that I know, who've THOUGHT about leaving, what perentage actually do it?

Americans may be coming, but hardly in droves... You think this is droves? You haven't SEEN droves.. haha no j/k but seriously.

I just mean, I am not just abandoning the US by leaving, there will be plenty of other liberals who stay.

I read all the posts but I don't really wanna reply to each individually that would take forever. so uh. yea.

[diva]

Originally Posted by Ashes

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Diva- you make way too many assumptions considering you just bump in and out of this thread, and don't know anything about me. how do you know whether or not i could get into canada? the requirements are different for every age group. & hey, replying when i can't reply to you-- thats cool.whatevs.

I know that you couldn't get into canada based on the following requirements on the government's website.

And wtf? replying when you can't reply to me? i don't know your schedule, freak.

take this test you need 67 to pass

I kind of took it for you and based on the assessment for what you need to enter the country as a skilled worker, I don't think you could get the 67 points. Based on what I guessed your answers would be you got 29 points or something. But maybe you know more french than I give you credit for, or have more than a post secondary education. And I guessed 20 for your age. That's still a long way from the required 67 points, though.

Feel free to check out other links on the immigration website though. Maybe there's a way for you to legally immigrate here.

Best of luck.

[diva]

You can try to get into canada using any of the following classes:

Skilled Worker Class Immigration:
Canada values the skills and experiences that foreign professionals and workers bring with them. Check to see if your skills and experience qualify you to come to Canada as a skilled worker.

* Business Class Immigration:
Canada has a strong economic culture. If you have experience running or investing in businesses, you may qualify to come to Canada as a business immigrant.

* Provincial Nomination:
Most Canadian provinces have programs that encourage immigrants to settle in those provinces and benefit their economies. Learn about settling in one of Canada’s provinces as a provincial nominee.

* Family Class Immigration:
Family class immigration reunites families in Canadian homes. Learn how to sponsor your family member or come to Canada as a member of the family class.

* International Adoption:
Adopting children from abroad can be a long process. This is to protect children’s rights. Learn about what you need to do to bring an adoptive child to Canada.

* Quebec-Selected Immigration:
Quebec is responsible for selecting immigrants who wish to settle in Quebec. Find out how to apply to be selected to settle in Quebec.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.html

[dapimpstress]

whoa... i dont know why the chart keeps fucking up when i try to copy paste it.. but uh. i got 74

[diva]

^ did you read the list of acceptable work experience/jobs?
service industry type stuff that you've done since you've been 15 doesn't count.
read it properly before you take it.
*rolls eyes*

you don't have a degree, and you don't have any real marketable skills that other canadians your age are lacking.

i'm not insulting you, take the test again. read the rules first this time.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by diva

^ did you read the list of acceptable work experience/jobs?
service industry type stuff that you've done since you've been 15 doesn't count.
read it properly before you take it.
*rolls eyes*

you don't have a degree, and you don't have any real marketable skills that other canadians your age are lacking.

i'm not insulting you, take the test again. read the rules first this time.

I have been working at a public relations firm for over a year. I don't work in the service industry SWEETI. I work at one of the top 10 PR firms worldwide. We have offices in canada, so the ability to transfer to a job there gives me some points.

I did read the fucking rules. How can you assume ANY of these things, you have NO idea what i've done in my life.

[diva]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I have been working at a public relations firm for over a year. I don't work in the service industry SWEETI. I work at one of the top 10 PR firms worldwide. We have offices in canada, so the ability to transfer to a job there gives me some points.

I did read the fucking rules. How can you assume ANY of these things, you have NO idea what i've done in my life.

that's one year's work experience. i chose that when i took the test for you. but 99% of young people work in service industry type jobs when they're in high school. chill.

you have no job offer. you can't have points there.

don't cheat.

canadians don't like cheaters.

cheaters can't be winners.

there's no way you got 74 points.

no way.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/qual-2-1.html

list of skilled jobs

[wum]

^ what if she applies as an asylum seeker?

[dapimpstress]

I already used the codes on the fucking list. I'm not cheating. WTF is ur problem?

I have already discussed transferring to one of our canadian offices with my supervisors. People in our company do it all the time, it's not an issue. They have assured me that if I want to, I will have a place there.

I know, it must be hard for you, wanting SO BAD for me not to qualify. It's really too bad for you that I would. Don't get upset, I know it's rough.

PS- I meet the standards for 2 jobs on that list, thanks. :D

[diva]

sure wummykins

she can tell the government that she was able to take a nice vacation to mexico and that she has a job with one of the top PR companies in the world AND that she gets to rave it up every other weekend

real asylum seekers have to offer up a shitload of proof that their lives are being threatened in their countries before their applications will even be considered

even then the country rejects a lot of them

ps. wum would score even less than ashes on the test if he wasn't already living in canada

[wum]

yay!!

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by diva

sure wummykins

she can tell the government that she was able to take a nice vacation to mexico and that she has a job with one of the top PR companies in the world AND that she gets to rave it up every other weekend

real asylum seekers have to offer up a shitload of proof that their lives are being threatened in their countries before their applications will even be considered

even then the country rejects a lot of them

ps. wum would score even less than ashes on the test if he wasn't already living in canada

I don't need to 'seek asylum' to immigrate, I more than meet the requirements.

[diva]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I already used the codes on the fucking list. I'm not cheating. WTF is ur problem?

I have already discussed transferring to one of our canadian offices with my supervisors. People in our company do it all the time, it's not an issue. They have assured me that if I want to, I will have a place there.

I know, it must be hard for you, wanting SO BAD for me not to qualify. It's really too bad for you that I would. Don't get upset, I know it's rough.

PS- I meet the standards for 2 jobs on that list, thanks. :D

there there, ashes. i still don't believe that you had the mental capacity to read and understand the rules before taking the test. but even if you managed to do it and get a passing mark you only got five points better than the pass

there are only a certain number of immigrants allowed in the country every year and i'm sure a lot of them scored much higher than you

*phew*

that was a close one

[diva]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I don't need to 'seek asylum' to immigrate, I more than meet the requirements.

no, you met them by 5 points
an engineer from islamabad proficient in both french and english would get in before you did
he or she would be a lot more useful too

it's not that i don't like you, perse
i just don't like useless ppl

and you, little miss eyebrows, are useless

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by diva

there there, ashes. i still don't believe that you had the mental capacity to read and understand the rules before taking the test. but even if you managed to do it and get a passing mark you only got five points better than the pass

there are only a certain number of immigrants allowed in the country every year and i'm sure a lot of them scored much higher than you

*phew*

that was a close one

You can choose to believe whatever you wish. It's nothing on me. Thanks for gettin the test link tho, glad to know I pass.

PS- There's no way you can anywhere near acurately speculate as to whether or not I would be accepted if I did indeed apply. Wishful thinking...

[wum]

Originally Posted by diva

sure wummykins

she can tell the government that she was able to take a nice vacation to mexico and that she has a job with one of the top PR companies in the world AND that she gets to rave it up every other weekend

real asylum seekers have to offer up a shitload of proof that their lives are being threatened in their countries before their applications will even be considered

even then the country rejects a lot of them

ps. wum would score even less than ashes on the test if he wasn't already living in canada

Convention Refugees Abroad Class The Convention Refugee Abroad class includes people who are outside their country of citizenship or habitual residence. Refugees in this class have a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of:

• race;
• religion;
• political opinion;
• nationality; or
• membership in a particular social group.

Individuals selected under this class are eligible for government assistance or may be privately sponsored


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/resettle-2.html



I think American refugees can flee to Canada under the auspices of political tyranny.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Ashes

whoa... i dont know why the chart keeps fucking up when i try to copy paste it.. but uh. i got 74

now take the test again for real.

[b0ld]

Keep in mind that if you have a criminal record or had a criminal record but was over ruled in court immigration would still label that you have a criminal record and you would be rejected immediately.

And as per a job transfer.... Few things involved in it... It includes the professional... how long you've been employed, and what not. Just because you end up getting a "transfer" it doesn't mean that you will be able to be a canadian citizen. It would only be a working visa and thats it. You'd still be labeled as an american citizen and nothing more. And after upon either termination or just quiting the job you would have to return back to the united states because the immigration department would receive the information from the source of employment to determine whether you are still employed or not.

[diva]

Originally Posted by wum

Convention Refugees Abroad Class The Convention Refugee Abroad class includes people who are outside their country of citizenship or habitual residence. Refugees in this class have a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of:

• race;
• religion;
• political opinion;
• nationality; or
• membership in a particular social group.

Individuals selected under this class are eligible for government assistance or may be privately sponsored


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/resettle-2.html



I think American refugees can flee to Canada under the auspices of political tyranny.

yeah, if those political opinions endanger their lives.
next.
*yawns*

you can privately sponsor ashes if you want, wum.

the application process will cost you 7 grand and you have to sign a contract ensuring the canadian government that she wont become a burden on our social system for at least ten years

that means that if she tries to go on welfare within that time, the government will come after you for the money

no joke
something tells me that even you wouldn't be as stupid as to do something like that if you had the money

my dad sponsored both his brother and his dad to come here because they didn't fit any of the above mentioned classes

it's not as easy to immigrate to canada as you make is seem

[wum]

Originally Posted by diva

no, you met them by 5 points
an engineer from islamabad proficient in both french and english would get in before you did
he or she would be a lot more useful too

it's not that i don't like you, perse
i just don't like useless ppl

and you, little miss eyebrows, are useless

But Ashes won't be at risk for blowing herself up with C4's anytime soon