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When I book DJs, I base their pay on a few different things. Some people may have a problem with it but I think it is more than fair.
1) Skill level. There are a hell of a lot of DJs that are big for no other reason than they have a lot of friends in the scene. If they are technically tight and do more than just mix, I will pay more. 2) Crowd Control. There are tons of DMC finalists that will have a full club bored stupid in 20 minutes. 90% of clubbers know nothing about turntablism and the novelty quickly dies off. They need to be performers. 3) DJs Draw. If they have built a big name for themself internationally and will guarantee a bigger turn out- I will pay them more. DJs with good websites also get paid more because they help you create hype. 4) Do they play vinyl? I am old school. I like to see DJs mixing vinyl. CDs don't impress me. It's too damn easy. Unless they are a producer and playing their own tracks. Also, vinyl DJs shell out a fortune for their collections. Which I think they deserve back. What blows me aways is how many tools get contacted for bookings outside of the country and then suddenly demand outrageous prices. I have had several acts from BC, who never play outside of Vancouver much less BC asking for $1200 CDN for a show in Taiwan. The price of the air ticket alone would be $1600 CDN. I know damn well they are tickled pink when they get paid $300 for a show in BC, why would I pay 10 times that for a booking? As soon as their "agent" mentions a price that high, I take it as an insult and instantly cancel the booking. I think all DJs playing a show should be paid except for the opening acts. The opening slots should be reserved for up and coming acts that want to practice on a bigger system. On the flipside, promoters pay their dues too and deserve money back. 90% of shows break even. Of course, promoters want to cash in when they can on the 10% that go really well. I couldn't even count how many times the DJ went home with way more than I did. Promoters spend probably 200 hours plus promoting a party. Probably 15 hours on a club night. DJs play an hour and a half. Promoters deserve to get paid, too.
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^promoters only deserve to get paid if they put in the effort needed to sell the tickets, and if they budget their show properly. If they come up short because they went over budj or didn't pump it hard enough... they get what they deserve. Of course there are cases where a promoter will do all they can and still come up short.... but even that is not an excuse to under pay your workers. You took the risk, not them.
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Apr 19, 06
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Wow, this was actually an enjoyable thread for sure.
Rhia, I've been shorted too... that's the shittiest feeling. At a party on the Island a few years ago, they already told me they were going to lowball me when I asked for my money. They gave me a greatly reduced fee, then I walked away and somehow had the foresight to start counting it and found it $30 short. They had already cost me money by not telling me where the party is except "somewhere near Victoria" when it was in fact north of Nanaimo.. (extra couple of hours driving, extra gas in the car, extra TIME)... it sucks. And yes, promoters and DJs should CLARIFY the fee before the event, but the promoter shouldn't shortchange the DJ either!!! There are certain promoters that I won't discuss that with, but only because we have a long-term relationship... Arpy and I have been raping sheep together for years and I always know he'll give me however many sheep he can. LUVU ARPY. From reading the Clubvibes thread I am coming to the conclusion that I should switch to playing 120 bpm house and DJ at the Red Room. Fuck.
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Apr 19, 06
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So let me get this straight
Attila doesn't pay his locals? and he charges those outrageous prices and makes a ton of cash? Not to cool. I've had a long enough relationship where I lose money or maybe only break even I don't need to pay them. Not because I demand it, it's because they agree with me up front. Some of the best dj's in town will agree with me to do that, while they wouldn't for a rookie promoter. Because they know I'm straight up with them. However when I throw a party where we make a ton of cash, the dj's have gotten big bonuses. Sometimes double their pay. So it evens out. This is why they continue to play for me year after year There's a difference between greed and honesty though. I guess this is the reason the local line up on those parties are all newbies. It's cool to give newbies a chance, but not cause they're free. People need to see why these $100 dj's from Alberta are getting booked, and why these free locals are getting booked. Not trying to pick on anyone here, cause the same goes for a lot of promoters. It just seems like a lot of promoters are looking for the quick buck rather than quality. And not understanding that quality is what brings the people over the long run. Last edited by AGROculture; Apr 19, 06 at 12:21 PM.
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sometimes a party just doesn't do as well as expected and the money to pay the dj's just isn't there. if something like that happened, i'd be okay with giving them a little less (and usually only if they're cool with it, and they often are), but only if i was about to take a loss. i'd never pay them less than quoted and walk away with money in my pocket. making a habit of it, though, and paying dj's less so you make more (or a minimum) yourself is pretty fucked.
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^Well whether you make or break shouldn't be an issue unless it's agreed upon beforehand.
Or if you have a lasting relationship where dj and promoter understand eachothers situations
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What any party involved in something like this must realize a verbal agreement or a verbal contract is still viable/credible in a court of law.
If anyone was pissed off enough about a situation similar to this, they could easily take it to court and win. The time, effort and price attached to taking something to small claims court is probably not worth the dollar amount that was owed; but it sure as hell is worth the pride. Edit: Quote:
 
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I find it funny when the name of Attila is posted, all the 30-40 people who has been bashing him for years on this board, jump right in and blow it out of proportion.
Nice to know FnK is still a place of highschool drama, and all these people (even tho well into their adult years) are still under the high school mentality. Some facts 1) Evolve always has paid their DJs. 2) Rhia got paid accordingly to skill level ($75-100 dollars from what ive heard) 2a) Rhia feels she deserves to be paid more (after the fact), simply because PINK was a fun party that did well. -- and that's normal, everyone thinks they are the best and deserve the most, yet many of us work for 8/hour.. like me, lol anyway... RHIA, you have nice track selection, but hun please learn how to beat match expecially if you think you are DJing for a career. Because if you demand to get paid big bucks, you at least have to know how to work it proper :) ... THAT IS ALL! ~Pam~
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^^^ all that coming from Attila's sister!!! hahaha
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It's the artists responsibility to hold the promoter accountable for what they feel they are worth. Every fee is negotiable, and until you have an agent to do so for you, youre the one that has to take it into your own hands.
Everything in this scene is a business and people are trying to cut deals left right and center, so why would paying a DJ be different! Barder mothah fuckahs.. It's very rare for a promoter to be "generous" with his first offer. Just be logical and it works out for everyone, if your greedy its evident and you won't be playing for that person anytime soon. I also have a strong feeling about keeping this kind of conversation off public boards, and party/club goers eyes. Talk amongst the industry professionals if you want advice or help, this kind of banter has no home on here. Seriously, it's a respect thing.. just like not comparing or telling other promoters what you get paid for certain gigs. It's just proper business ethics. I get my fried chicken and I'm happy. Last edited by Skyles; Apr 19, 06 at 01:58 PM.
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But I do know for a fact (goooo Law 12 studies) that a verbal agreement between two parties is binding and very legal. A verbal agreement will stand in a civil court for as long as you can prove it. Verbal agreements can be difficult to enforce in that they can be tricky to prove. However, the party who dishonours the agreement may have acted in a way which could amount to an irrefutable presumption that the agreement had taken place. Formal information here Last edited by Silverwinged; Apr 19, 06 at 02:04 PM.
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That comment is almost like saying "keep nutritional information about fast food away from consumers because it has no place in our minds" Nay good sir. IF there are wrong doings afoot, let the public know. Why would I want to go and spend money to go to an event when I know for a fact that the local talent isn't being respected - and the promoters are just pocketing a tun of cash that should be returned to the performers? It is a respect thing, its about respecting the people you have HIRED to do a job. I agree that it isn't proper conduct to discuss amounts paid from previous events, but when you are deliberately being given the shitty end of the stick... Are you going to grab it and smile? Don't think so. Continuing to support a production company that is slimey and unjust is just down right stupid. Understanding and being educated as to what is going on around you in the scene (as silly as it may sound) will only put fourth good results when companies are forced to be fair when they gain a shitty rep by word of mouth from unsatisfied party-goers or heaven forbid lose revenue when people decide to stop supporting. Karma works, and boy would it bite some people hard.
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Allison, I am going to have to agree with you there, you have made some very valid points. Letting the public know is very important, as it helps people make more informed choiced in the future about where they want their money to go in support of certain shows and promoters
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