DJ's who think its ok to continue playing for free

[FeelGood]

Evolve shows are like the canucks, over hyped TRASH!

[euro_raver]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

you MUST be a newb groupie.
get off evolves jock already and just ask for your guest list spot.
fuck.

unlike you i don't have to suck dick for evolve glist. amazing how you go from blowing dj/promoter to dj/promoter as your taste in music changes. what are you three for three now?

[Harp]

Originally Posted by euro_raver

unlike you i don't have to suck dick for evolve glist. amazing how you go from blowing dj/promoter to dj/promoter as your taste in music changes. what are you three for three now?

ouch.
got karma

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by cubed

I certainly hope they do with the amount of money they are charging for a bargain basement party.

Please dont even start, asses the value of all the equiptment and rental fees, and tell me that we are throwing "BARGAIN BASEMENT" parties with the price quote in hand. Aswell as the quotes for our past parties, added up... safe to say in one show we dish out equivellant to 2 shit mlc cookie cutter parties (Crank stand, shit lights, speakers and dj booth) put together.
If we placed our exact setups in an Agro party, guaranteed youd be like "OMG MAN BEST SETUP EVER!", opposed to having that setup at parties giving us the "BARGAIN BASEMENT" comment.
Well too bad you dont have the logic and common sense to see what is good. Bias is just a big fucking fog that you cant see through.

(sorry to all involved with "AGROculture" for using the name as an example, but it proves the point on how biased "cubed" can be)

Making losses, its a risk but sure as hell love a good product. We got recognized for that and now we sell out regardless, good sound, good setup...
no bias involved opposed to the FnK market (which account MAYBE 5% of the raver population) and in the end will make or break the descison to attending due to shit talk. Ive supported people I dont tottaly agree with, why, because I love a good show, I wont let some bias tell me what is good and what is bad. Yet there are those people that always have opinions and somethign to say.

Its like saying Ferrari's are the shittiest cars alive just cause the owner might be a dick. In reality theyre fucking spankin!

We shell out twice the budget (well close) on lighting and sound due to the shit quality that weve seen in the past. Ticket prices may start out a bit more expensive, but hey, were making the best of what two venues are available in Van on a regular basis. And in the end its bussines, noone throws a rave EXPECTING to loose money.

Originally Posted by Neotribe

4) Do they play vinyl? I am old school. I like to see DJs mixing vinyl. CDs don't impress me. It's too damn easy. Unless they are a producer and playing their own tracks.

Or unreleased tunes that arent readily available on vinyl.

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

The reason I made this post was to show Attila and DJ freinds of his that $100/hr is not unreasonable and money hungry. Some ppl seem to think that DJing should be done for free and that I should be thankful even just to play.

Rhia... as harsh as it may sound...
please shut up wit your 100$ an hour schpiel, honestly no promoters have been following that "fabled" wage consistently (some do but its really rare nowadays) and nor will it change, sketchy promoters will always be sketchy promoters, and there are PLENTY of em. if you really did look at the scene and notice some trends, youd notice that if you dont get a gig, there will be another person taking your spot... someone willing. And the mentality for most people nowadays is be thankful that your playing out and that you were considered first before someone else. Its respect cause the promoter remembers you for something, you bring something to the table.

You may be great at promoting, dont get me wrong... but you need to work on the dj attitude a bit, ive bitched about pay before and now im not getting booked with a company which I will keep to myself, and it sucks to see some shitty dj get the spot when you knew you coulda gotten it and played better tunes. There is no room to be flippin off companies anymore, undergrounds are sure as dead for the most part too, so even an underground party is a feat to most djs.

In the end, if you dont like the party, dont go.

[euro_raver]

Originally Posted by Harp

ouch.
got karma

ahaha:138:

[Harp]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Please dont even start, asses the value of all the equiptment and rental fees, and tell me that we are throwing "BARGAIN BASEMENT" parties with the price quote in hand. Aswell as the quotes for our past parties, added up... safe to say in one show we dish out equivellant to 2 shit mlc cookie cutter parties (Crank stand, shit lights, speakers and dj booth) put together.

Dont even get me started there Bent Giofanni

[dabbler]

her point is that 'willing dj's' are destroying the scene, and only hurt themselves in the long run. the whole dj union/strike thing is a valid point, if made obvious by an obviously extreme example... by everone agreeing to NOT play for shite $ or for free, and to not let shit like this be kept a secret from everyone, we can change the way promoters deal with dj's. (and it's %5 of YOUR ticket sales, not the 'raver population' hahaha) *you don't throws parties for 'ravers' in case you haven't noticed already.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by dabbler

only cuz people who don't give a fuck about the scene continue to support shitty promoters. (this comment is more relected at some other companies than attila since i have no personal experience with him)

one thing that seems to have gotten lost...

rhia signed for $75, was only paid $50 in the envelope but wasn't told until after she DROVE BACK, and then the excuse was they didn't have small bills?!

^^^ WOW

theres no excuse for something like that really...

but in context to other companies, allota people hate on solid yet theyre pulling out drop dead line ups... theyre not having a hard time.

This thread is full of people with opinions, and nothing to show for it.
There will always be an excuse for everything... no matter who.

[cubed]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Please dont even start, asses the value of all the equiptment and rental fees, and tell me that we are throwing "BARGAIN BASEMENT" parties with the price quote in hand. Aswell as the quotes for our past parties, added up... safe to say in one show we dish out equivellant to 2 shit mlc cookie cutter parties (Crank stand, shit lights, speakers and dj booth) put together.
If we placed our exact setups in an Agro party, guaranteed youd be like "OMG MAN BEST SETUP EVER!", opposed to having that setup at parties giving us the "BARGAIN BASEMENT" comment.
Well too bad you dont have the logic and common sense to see what is good. Bias is just a big fucking fog that you cant see through.

Not once have I seen an event thrown by Evolve that isn't a shite, bargain basement line up.

Until they do anything of actual worth I'll stand by my word.

PS - I'm well aware of costs for an event, it's what I do for a living.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

but in context to other companies, allota people hate on solid yet theyre pulling out drop dead line ups... theyre not having a hard time.

not having a hard time doing what? ripping people off?

[b0ld]

as much as everybody flames promoters whether who ever it is.... you'll always see the flamer at there shows. Then they'll post reviews on how good the show as only for weeks or months later to bash the promoter. I've seen kids playing in a sandbox come to a faster comprimise and respect with each other faster then any of you whiners/flamers.

[cubed]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

This thread is full of people with opinions, and nothing to show for it.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by dabbler

not having a hard time doing what? ripping people off?

On a bussines standpoint, no... its genious they found a medium that people will pay for (aka the rave.)
But from a more real perspective, yes they are ripping people off.

Originally Posted by dabbler

her point is that 'willing dj's' are destroying the scene, and only hurt themselves in the long run. the whole dj union/strike thing is a valid point, if made obvious by an obviously extreme example... by everone agreeing to NOT play for shite $ or for free, and to not let shit like this be kept a secret from everyone, we can change the way promoters deal with dj's. (and it's %5 of YOUR ticket sales, not the 'raver population' hahaha) *you don't throws parties for 'ravers' in case you haven't noticed already.

Times have changed... in one year ive noticed allota changes in crowd and how mainstream raving has become. That leads to people idolizing djs and wanting to be in that position. Talent is still around but too hyped up on wanting to get paid, that promoters get fed up with some djs ragging them about pay. As missy Chrissy said, cut them and find someone else.

[dabbler]

^^^^ HAHAHAHAHA in one year? what year? that was like 1999 mate. and the rave scene hasn't changed a bit over the last two and half years ish as far as what i see. it's the same seperation of crowds between an 'underground party' and a 'coliseum rave' as there was three years back. people haven't idolized dj's since the 90's for sure, and it's like 10 times LESS mainstream this year than it was in 99/00

[Harp]

Originally Posted by dabbler

^^^^ HAHAHAHAHA in one year? what year? that was like 1999 mate. and the rave scene hasn't changed a bit over the last two and half years ish as far as what i see. it's the same seperation of crowds between an 'underground party' and a 'coliseum rave' as there was three years back

out with the old and in with the new.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by dabbler

^^^^ HAHAHAHAHA in one year? what year? that was like 1999 mate. and the rave scene hasn't changed a bit over the last two and half years ish as far as what i see. it's the same seperation of crowds between an 'underground party' and a 'coliseum rave' as there was three years back

wtf, hasn't that always be the rave scene?

[cubed]

It's been a while since I've said something like this...




fucking newb ravers!!!

[BenGiovanni]

lol well ive noticed more od's, more younger and younger girls, at twisted one was 13, LIKE WHAT THE FUCK! more attitudes, raving used to be a place to go and have fun, now its a giant peacock fest.
Its like the stereotype of drugs and shit was one day accepted!
i didnt mean the "change" as THAT drastic though.

[dabbler]

the key thing that has changed over the last year or so are the number of dj's playing for free (and i am just as guilty about that too)

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by cubed

It's been a while since I've said something like this...




fucking newb ravers!!!

newb? ive been partying 3 - 4 years...

[cubed]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

newb? ive been partying 3 - 4 years...

like I said.

newb.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by euro_raver

unlike you i don't have to suck dick for evolve glist. amazing how you go from blowing dj/promoter to dj/promoter as your taste in music changes. what are you three for three now?

You're right man, we need to give you credit for being the longest single-promoter knob polisher and not hot skipping to another company :)

[cubed]

Originally Posted by wizzfish

You're right man, we need to give you credit for being the longest single-promoter knob polisher and not hot skipping to another company :)

That's some serious commitment right there.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by b0ld

as much as everybody flames promoters whether who ever it is.... you'll always see the flamer at there shows. Then they'll post reviews on how good the show as only for weeks or months later to bash the promoter. I've seen kids playing in a sandbox come to a faster comprimise and respect with each other faster then any of you whiners/flamers.

heh, who remembers the "solid stole money at grande finale" rumors and fiasco? BOOM everyone went to solid events still.

[Carrie]

these kids wouldn't know underground party if it hit them in the face.

i miss the days where the BIG party wasn't at riverside/pne/maritime...

ps anyone remember the parties at maritime? ravers of the lost ark? lol good times