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Old Apr 19, 06
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ok, time to go watch the godfather.

it's better for the soul.
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unlike you i don't have to suck dick for evolve glist. amazing how you go from blowing dj/promoter to dj/promoter as your taste in music changes. what are you three for three now?
on a sidenote...

I'd say that was completely uncalled for.

ppcock still hasn't posted about how your mom gave him the clap.

somethings are just best left alone.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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Whoa where has this thread been all my life?

Wizzfish, I'll get in touch with grade 8 and let it know that you need someone tonight
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Old Apr 19, 06
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unlike you i don't have to suck dick for evolve glist. amazing how you go from blowing dj/promoter to dj/promoter as your taste in music changes. what are you three for three now?
It takes a big person to sign on under a troll and make a lame comment. Way to be a man about it.

If you are going to insult her over something, you should come up with something better than calling her a whore.

PS - The only person she whored around with was Alje, and at the time, they were in a committed relationship. If dating is now whoring, then I guess me and every other girl on this board is a whore too. Get some new material, your jokes are played.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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Old Apr 19, 06
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lolz wow. this thread has the on topic people being randomly offtopically insulted.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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the first 11 pages were good. guess it's over now
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Old Apr 19, 06
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What's a 15 page thread without needless insults?
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Old Apr 19, 06
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i have been entertained the past 2 days..
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Old Apr 19, 06
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the first 11 pages were good. guess it's over now
agreed

its not like this whole thread was atilla bashing. No reason for anyone to get so overly defensive, only reason Atillas name was big in this was his shows sell really well and for stupid prices, he should be the last one paying under what was promised.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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Holy fuck people... shut the fuck up..
get on with your lives lol...
ahh nm.. don't, this has been entertaining
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newb? ive been partying 3 - 4 years...
Whoa.... that must be amazing! No offense to you personally but that comment comes off as very amusing to me and many others. Everything you just said about the scene has been said repeatedly for as long as I can remember.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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you know its a good thread when........... you have over 4000 views in a matter of 3 days.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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As I explained to you a while back.

I set you up with someone who I was helping throw a party. It was his party and I had no financial involvement with it. He simply payed me to organise the event.
He didn't pay you, and I apoligized and said I would see what I could do for you.

He didn't want to pay you, because in his own head he thinks the flyer design is one of the reasons we didn't draw a lot of people.

I disagree with him and think it's a pretty shitty thing for him to do. However I can't force him to pay you, nor will I pay you out of my own pocket for his bills.
Every flyer I have done for your events (or events in which you are involved, but not necessarily the primary investor), has been booked through you, and I was paid by you, with no mention of where the money is coming from.

The party in question was a joint venture (between AGRO & Bassline) as far as I knew when you hired me (when I was approached/hired by you, there was no mention of my payment being someone else's responsibility until after everything including the party, had been said and done). You told me your partner was pissed that he lost money and as a result didnt think I should be paid the full amount.

The amount proposed to me was enough to cover MY expenses on the flyer (as I pay Justin for his 3D work... and yes I paid him upon it's completion, before the flyer was even printed). However, you suggested that I wait until after Kiss, because your partner would be in 'better spirits' and would be more likely to pay me the full agreed-upon amount.. so I waited.

The rest is history: I've been trying to get ahold of you since Kiss, and have yet to get a reply (no returned phone messages, no answer on msn, even after you just signed on and are visibly online on FnK), until just now in this thread.

The way I see it this could just as easily be a case of this:
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Actualy when I found out my set was extended and my time slot was moved from 12-1 (which we agreed on) to 11-12:30 (with out telling me) I called Attila wanting to confirm pay. He told me it wasn't him who was in-charge it was Dennis.
^...(the fact that you've been avoiding me all this time, and bragged about how you conned snyx for some free design work last time I saw you would be my main reasons for thinking that...)

I would have preferred to speak with you privately on the matter, but it's clear that you were not willing to. You know my number and msn if you want to talk about this, and I'll be more than willing to delete this post, but this conversation has been LONG overdue.

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Old Apr 19, 06
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that right there is too good.

it had to be quoted for prosperity.
Aren't things usually quoted for "posterity"?

I'm disappointed in you, grammar police.
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Old Apr 19, 06
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basicly the only way i see is for there to be a sort of standerdized group or somthing, not quite as far as a union, just somthing to look out for the dj's best intrests regardless of payment and soc alled ranking
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Old Apr 19, 06
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Originally Posted by BenGiovanni
Please dont even start, asses the value of all the equiptment and rental fees, and tell me that we are throwing "BARGAIN BASEMENT" parties with the price quote in hand. Aswell as the quotes for our past parties, added up... safe to say in one show we dish out equivellant to 2 shit mlc cookie cutter parties (Crank stand, shit lights, speakers and dj booth) put together.
If we placed our exact setups in an Agro party, guaranteed youd be like "OMG MAN BEST SETUP EVER!", opposed to having that setup at parties giving us the "BARGAIN BASEMENT" comment.
Well too bad you dont have the logic and common sense to see what is good. Bias is just a big fucking fog that you cant see through.

(sorry to all involved with "AGROculture" for using the name as an example, but it proves the point on how biased "cubed" can be)
I totaly disagree. Agro Dave is by far one of the best known promoters for actualy putting in $$$ and effort inro a good set up and decorations. And his tickets sales are still lower than most. The only promoters who compare would be ET bros and Adrenalyn.

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Making losses, its a risk but sure as hell love a good product. We got recognized for that and now we sell out regardless, good sound, good setup...
no bias involved opposed to the FnK market (which account MAYBE 5% of the raver population) and in the end will make or break the descison to attending due to shit talk. Ive supported people I dont tottaly agree with, why, because I love a good show, I wont let some bias tell me what is good and what is bad. Yet there are those people that always have opinions and somethign to say.

Its like saying Ferrari's are the shittiest cars alive just cause the owner might be a dick. In reality theyre fucking spankin!

We shell out twice the budget (well close) on lighting and sound due to the shit quality that weve seen in the past. Ticket prices may start out a bit more expensive, but hey, were making the best of what two venues are available in Van on a regular basis. And in the end its bussines, noone throws a rave EXPECTING to loose money.

You guys would have not sold out if you didnt have a certain someone help selling tickets. Lets just say the type of crowed showed it. As a DJ your sound was not what I would call a "good set up" In the main room there was trouble with the speakers going on and off and we had lots of bad feed back in the second room and I was asked to turn the moniters up to bring out more sound (killing my ears) As for the decorations... the second room was decorated with scraps from sinful and apex.





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Rhia... as harsh as it may sound...
please shut up wit your 100$ an hour schpiel, honestly no promoters have been following that "fabled" wage consistently (some do but its really rare nowadays) and nor will it change, sketchy promoters will always be sketchy promoters, and there are PLENTY of em. if you really did look at the scene and notice some trends, youd notice that if you dont get a gig, there will be another person taking your spot... someone willing. And the mentality for most people nowadays is be thankful that your playing out and that you were considered first before someone else. Its respect cause the promoter remembers you for something, you bring something to the table.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT AND WHY I DIRECTED IT TO ATTILLA AND YOU!!! Have you checked out the club vibes thread? Have you talked with well respected, established, and long term promoters as in 15+ years??? They would all disagree with you on that. Not paying DJ's that rate is either due to promoters not making money OR Sketchy promtoers trying to make money off of DJ's. And no there really arnt 'plenty' of sketchy promoters. Ive seen alot of them fade away or change.


Ben sorry but you havnt been in this scene long enough... im sure in a few more years youll get sick of sucking up, selling tickets, playing for free and dealing with promoters trying to bargen for a better slot.
How are you ever going to get yourself anywhere as a DJ? Honestly sometimes I feel like im telling a promoter im a no body DJ when I cant give them a decent fee.




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You may be great at promoting, dont get me wrong... but you need to work on the dj attitude a bit, ive bitched about pay before and now im not getting booked with a company which I will keep to myself, and it sucks to see some shitty dj get the spot when you knew you coulda gotten it and played better tunes. There is no room to be flippin off companies anymore, undergrounds are sure as dead for the most part too, so even an underground party is a feat to most djs.

In the end, if you dont like the party, dont go.
You know why that shitty DJ got the slot over you??? BECAUSE THERE WILLING TO PLAY FOR FREE/CHEEP!!! Do you not see the problem?

As for the additude... im not going to worrie when I have promoters and well experinced buisness ppl suporting me on this topic. If anything the additude of how the 'rave scene' goes/works should be reviewed. You obviously missed out on it 6+ years ago.

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Old Apr 20, 06
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I just ran out of popcorn :(
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Old Apr 20, 06
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What's a 15 page thread without needless insults?
yeah no doubt. This is not reality guys its fnk so all jokes are all good
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Old Apr 20, 06
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OK Richard

Would you like to speak with him yourself then?
He's not a very rational kind of guy, to say the least

To be honest he'd probably just hit ya. Thats why I take care of the personal and business relations. And I do a good job of it. If I didn't then I wouldn't have the respect I do in most crowds in Vancouver from House and Trance to Live Hip Hop.

As I said, I'm sorry he screwed ya, but I'm not going to pay you out of my own pocket for his debts. I did my best for you, and tried to get your $100. He said no, he thinks you didn't put effort into it.

You could say I'm taking the easy way out and blaming someone else. But unfortunatly that is the case. There's nothing I can do about it.

Next time you see him, ask him yourself
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Old Apr 20, 06
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^^yeah Ericks not a pleasant guy to deal with. Can't understand half the stuff he says.
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Old Apr 20, 06
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OK Richard

Would you like to speak with him yourself then?
He's not a very rational kind of guy, to say the least

To be honest he'd probably just hit ya. Thats why I take care of the personal and business relations. And I do a good job of it. If I didn't then I wouldn't have the respect I do in most crowds in Vancouver from House and Trance to Live Hip Hop.

As I said, I'm sorry he screwed ya, but I'm not going to pay you out of my own pocket for his debts. I did my best for you, and tried to get your $100. He said no, he thinks you didn't put effort into it.

You could say I'm taking the easy way out and blaming someone else. But unfortunatly that is the case. There's nothing I can do about it.

Next time you see him, ask him yourself
^No Dave, I wouldn't like to talk to him, as he was not my 'employer' in this case; you're the one who contracted me. I only briefly met the guy once, and it was in a completely social context, although an assault charge would make it worthwhile to go to court for the $300 he owes me (not the $100 you said he offered me instead after he lost money on the party).

I still think that as the person who hired me, it's your responsibility to tie up these loose ends. Aside from that, even if you never intended on compensating me, it was very unprofessional to just shrug me off and avoid me without any explanation. (so for the record, the last time we spoke, you said that you WOULD have the money for me, just that it would have to wait until you got the money from Kiss)

Once again, I would rather have talked about this privately...
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Old Apr 20, 06
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OK Richard

Would you like to speak with him yourself then?
He's not a very rational kind of guy, to say the least

To be honest he'd probably just hit ya. Thats why I take care of the personal and business relations. And I do a good job of it. If I didn't then I wouldn't have the respect I do in most crowds in Vancouver from House and Trance to Live Hip Hop.

As I said, I'm sorry he screwed ya, but I'm not going to pay you out of my own pocket for his debts. I did my best for you, and tried to get your $100. He said no, he thinks you didn't put effort into it.

You could say I'm taking the easy way out and blaming someone else. But unfortunatly that is the case. There's nothing I can do about it.

Next time you see him, ask him yourself
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Old Apr 20, 06
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^No Dave, I wouldn't like to talk to him, as he was not my 'employer' in this case; you're the one who contracted me. I only briefly met the guy once, and it was in a completely social context, although an assault charge would make it worthwhile to go to court for the $300 he owes me (not the $100 you said he offered me instead after he lost money on the party).

I still think that as the person who hired me, it's your responsibility to tie up these loose ends. Aside from that, even if you never intended on compensating me, it was very unprofessional to just shrug me off and avoid me without any explanation. (so for the record, the last time we spoke, you said that you WOULD have the money for me, just that it would have to wait until you got the money from Kiss)

Once again, I would rather have talked about this privately...

I don't want to take sides, but ive recently gotten in a simular situation like this. I was asked by a promoter to contact/ask 2 DJ's to play for them. Basikly I was made the middle man. I was the one who made the calls and sent the emails to confirm the contract leaving the promoters contact info at the end.
It didnt occure to me untill after that if anything goes wrong... I dam well better not be blamed for or expected to take any responsibility by the DJ's.

Riachard your situation totaly blows... like you said this entire thread can realate well to anyone else 'working' for shady promoters in this industry.
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Old Apr 20, 06
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^^^ but see, that's the reason for hiring 'middlemen' like Agrodave (no offense dave :P) it's the perfect smokescreen for both parties involved for doing exactly that.
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