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^heh, yeah i was thinking the same thing... utter nonsense!
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contracts won't help with anything, this is a matter of respect between the people you and the people you are playing for. if you don't trust them, don't play for them. And if you get intentionally shorted, make sure to ask/tell the other dj's that played the party so they know to be careful. if you expect to get paid, mention it. Since there are less slots, its in everyone's interest to build long-term relationships which are based on associating your name with something good and a sound, not with taking crappy slots and complaining about them.
oddmuzz is right, alot of the established locals don't get the respect they deserve. i can think of at least 20 locals that have been playing for 5+years, in multiple cities, with good slots... who never get mentioned here. Influenza deserve to play more parties here. I've played alot of dates over the past few years, including a few at big raves, but found that it's quite disheartening because most the young dj's are trying to impress one-another and drop tonnes of cheese, have a lack of skill, play harder then the room needs, and pull attitude. This whole discussion is about something where everyone involved is part of the problem... from the allegedly shaddy promoters, the young "dj's", cheaping out of production budgets, use of absolutely useless rooms at rave for a 2nd 3rd or 4th room, and more then that... to the people that ask for guestlist for no reason. Personally, i don't care. People will come and go, and new dj's will get bored and crappy promoters will move on to other ventures or manage a mcdonalds, and ravers complaining on this board will be complaining about child-support soon enough. Last edited by REV; Apr 21, 06 at 11:45 AM.
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"Personally, i don't care. People will come and go, and new dj's will get bored and crappy promoters will move on to other ventures or manage a mcdonalds, and ravers complaining on this board will be complaining about child-support soon enough."
Bahahaaha... touche!~ and these are the days of our lives .. ;) To rebut, though, I DO think contracts make a difference. In an event that is losing money, and the promoter has to make a judgement call of who to screw over, let me tell you from experience -- it's the guys without contracts that feel it first. When a room gets crunched, and a dj slot has to be cut or switched around -- it's the ones without the contracts that are the most "flexible". Generally that also means the headliners are the most untouchable -- partly out of respect, partly because they usually have the best contracts and the promoter can't afford to play loose with the rules he agreed initially on. I'm saying this as both a DJ and Promoter of over 10 years -- my experiences when I used contracts are far better, usually, then when I don't (to play), and when I'm in a crunch due to X, Y, or Z catastrophe and I'm playing damage control at one of my events -- I work AROUND the contracts -- they are basically, untouchable, and everyone else has to "understand" (ie get screwed to keep the party going). when that means $$ -- it means contract people get paid first, and non-contract people might have to get paid back later. When it means timeslots -- non contract people just aren't as secure. :) So use a contract kids! ;)
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as to the "dj union" ...
it isn't really about starting a union, since that is extremely unrealistic. it's more about the IDEA of the union... as in all the dj's in town coming to an agreement to not play for free, not let promoters get away with screwing us over without at least posting it all over the web (which is pretty much the only recourse we have) And as to posting this stuff online... it makes no difference about affecting your bookings...you obviously won't play for that promoter again, and any other promoter who reads it and takes the opinion of 'better not book them cuz they do that' is only thinking that way cuz they are gonna screw you too. As long as the serious dj's (meaning ones who want to play out often) can agree on this, then getting the minimum of $ that should be expected (and is usually promised and agreed on beforehand) shouldn't be an issue anymore. and any promoter (myself included) who finds this hard to deal with, shouldn't be promoting. It's a fair deal... no one in this thread has said they expect more than they are worth, and since we all agree this is a business not only is it a good idea for the future of our business to work together honestly, it's also good for the scene as a whole.
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really. i want to know. OR, if you agree with him so much, pls explain. Last edited by dabbler; Apr 21, 06 at 03:40 PM.
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I have never had a DJ disclose their track list before their set in my 12 years of throwing parties.... ps - good try on the backpeddle though....
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I don't make the law nor do I enforce it.... However there are some sick money hungry people who are out there that quite frankly would persue this claim and utimately if they kept on going would win...
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Do you actually believe the dribble you are spewing?
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and before you argue the difference between the music that the performer plays and what they are wearing, read a dj contract. you are paying for that artists particular style of performance, his persona and many other things, yet not the content of what they happen to be performing. also, in case you weren't aware... dj'ing records and charging money for it is already illegal whether you have bought the record or not. the 'public performance' of the music we purchase is prohibited, and it says so on most records in small print. it already breaks the copyright for almost every record we play. makes little difference where it comes from.
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I deal with people every day threatening to sue and eventually do sue. People will do anything to get money....
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