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In the end raves are still a bussines. No one wants to loose money. Its common sense really. Times change, companies change, people change.... Look at the past... Big parties demand big setups and demand more of everything. WHICH MEANS MORE MONEY NEEDED. Breaking even is a big stress... but making money is another, especially if investors are involved... splitting profit is sad to see knowing it couldve been ALL FOR YOU! Also another thing, say there are 20 tickets left, and you have a guy offering 10 000$ for them opposed to the other guy offering 3000$ obviously your going to take the 10 000$, dont even tell me you wouldnt do it. That explains door prices, if people REALLY want to party and pay a hefty price for the last 10 tickets to the party, then its THEIR choice. Ravers have the choice of getting their cheap tickets early but allot wait and thats their fault. Quote:
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I didnt need to suck up to anyone because I brought something to the table and was liked for the "services" that I offered so to speak. Respect for respect. If I happened to get a gig while im at it... sweet... good shit. If not, life goes on! I walk into a gig with the mentality of expecting to get paid, but if I dont, ill be disappointed... but sure as hell wont shit babies cause of it. We do nothing different with Evolve, if we see someone can sell tickets, so be it, bussines is bussines. If someone asks for something and we see they deserve it, then go ahead. Theres also something called DRAWING THE LINE... and this goes for DJ's too. I dont know the full story but endless calls about pay would piss me off if it was me in the position and had other stuff to do. As for the ticket seller/dj's If we see that they are in need of a gig cuase other promoters wont book em, well help them out. AKA switching the line up at parties quite often. Getting places as a DJ is called sucking it up, some of the most biggest artist out there in history went through real hardships and being underpayed aswell. 
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DONT EVEN TRY TO TELL ME YOU HAD GOOD SOUND!!! I never used the mic? When I got there for my set at 11 there was crazy feed back happening and the bass was really messed up. We played around with it for awhile, but still things were not normal. As the room filled up I was asked to turn my monitors up to help balence the bass and trebble of the sound. I was pulling my ear plugs in and out my entire set not able to hear properly as the sound coming out literaly sounded like metal throbbing piercing mud! Pretty much I was sacrificing my hearing for the party. Would not have done that if I knew I was only going to be paid $75. Speaking of the mic... there should have been a sound check fot that before the show started. Instead of having your headliner and semi headliner trying to do there own sound check while keeping the crowed going at the same time. Quote:
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Seriously Ben... All im getting at is whats wrong with paying a DJ $100/hr? Why dont you think myself and others dont deserved it? (not talking about newbie DJ's) Last edited by Ree Fresh; Apr 20, 06 at 10:09 PM.
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I would hardly call this bitching and moaning. As I said, you avoided me for months and I wanted closure on the matter, even if it was just you telling me that you tried your best and couldn't get if off Erick. Like I said, I sucked it up and paid the 3D artist I hired to make graphics for the flyer (me being the middle man there), despite not getting paid. All I said is that in an ideal world, you'd do the same. You've made it clear that you won't and I left it at that. I'm not gonna sit here demand that you pay me, as it's obviously up to you at this point (and I know how it really bites to pay people out of your own pocket when you shouldn't have had to, so I can't blame you).. Like I said before, I really think there's anything else to say on the matter. (except for that I wouldn't mind if some tickets to the next AGRO show magically fell in my lap :))
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We both bring valid points, everyone would like to get 100$/hr but with the way the scene lately has turned...not everyone is getting what they want/need. You cant teach an old dog new tricks, they tend to forget in the end.
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It's diffrent if were talking of an event that can barly break even. However if your going to make money... DONT MAKE IT OFF BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOUR DJS! Quit making excuses that "the scene is changing" The scene has not turned, ive been very satified with 95% of the promoters I deal with. Attila is trying to get away with something only greedy promoters try. How can an aspireing DJ like your self suport this and put up with it? Learn to stick up for your self.
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Apr 21, 06
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You will never get paid more now with all this bullshit people will read and you cant take it back now. So as ben said, tough it up princess. Not everyone thinks you are worth 100/hour, not solid, not unconscious, not evolve.
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Stop playing at raves then.
If a promoter says they are going to pay you 50 or 100, it's none of your business what they do at the door or how much they make. The agreement is between you and the promoter and you can't go back on it. I may have missed some crap up there but gimme a break, 18 pages.. fuck that noise. Stick with clubs.
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wut ever happend to DJing for the groupies
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Now as was said earlier pull the cock out of ya mouth already and get some real facts cause I think ya gettin chapped lips...  For the over worked whore..
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that was rude! have you read every single comment of this discussion ??
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You know whats an interesting reality. Most promoters don't have to pay dj's who demand it. Reason being??.... its simple with the digital age and file sharing age people share music. In canada unlike the united states sharing music is legal as long as it is not used in any what shape or form to be used as profit (where royalties should go to the artist). All it takes is 1 track for a dj to play during there set to which they can seriously screw the promoter. Imagine of some representative from some label go's to a party and see's that the dj is playing tracks that were never released on cd nor as mp3 format, furthermore then go as far as to investigate and prove that track is ripped. Who do you think they are going to go after? the person playing the music or the people who are in charge of the party who is making profit? What a position they would be in.... I'd say at least 90% maybe 95% of the dj's in vancouver will use at least 1 ripped track during there set. But 1 is all it takes.... So given the risks to promoters and reputations I think there are alot of people who should keep quiet... Thats my 2 cents.
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What about the people that put have put in their dues, and have been playing for years. A: We still don't get booked. B: When we do we only make $100 or so locally.
I think when people get over the fact that, NO, they shouldn't be on the guestlist. And start paying to goto these shows, maybe there would be more money to pay the djs. When we're talking about Raves, the venue's are the biggest cost, plus permits, police, lighting sound, etc. I used to throw parties, I now know the costs involved. Yet everyone thinks they should get in free. When you do something for the Scene, then yeah, maybe you should get in free once in a while. I'm at the point now where, even if I'm on the guestlist I wanna throw the promoter at least $10 or $15 on the big shows. Take Arpy for example, he's been throwing shows for years. Always has given me the courtesy of putting me on the list. At the stanton shows, the guestlist shut down, people were bitching right left and centre, and we offered $20, and he insisted that $10 was enough. If everyone wanted to pay to see quality then we wouldn't have all these problems.
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Quoted for truth.... everyone in this scene wants somethin for nothin. While I won't turn down the occasional GL I've never ever EXPECTED it. Even if a good friend was the promoter.
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Gueslists are fine when offered or in exchange for favors, however i've been happy paying for talent I truly want to see. In that same breath, i've been guestlisted to shows I would have never paid to go to, either, and still went.
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I am sure my friends are going to get offended by this..... I have a lot of friends that don't throw parties, and don't DJ, but still expect to get in for free to events. They feel that they have been in the "scene" long enough. And as much as people would like to believe it, just because you spend a few years going to parties, doesn't entitle you to gold card status. As a promoter, it can be very frustrating to hear someone complain that they didn't get guestlist. If you are a friend of mine, and you have done something to help me out with my show, I have no problem comping you in. But just because you are my friend, doesn't mean that I am going to always do you a favor....you are my friend, please support my show!
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it's funny, hearing people talk about the DJ Union .. I had actually written up a little plan and talked to a few friends about doing that almost 10 years ago .. hehe. It was a real problem then in Ottawa. I started DJing around the same time I started throwing parties .. well, a little before. My first "real" show, we paid all the locals $200. I was 16. A big festival had passed around a near-fatal flu the weekend before and everyone was mad sick -- we only drew like 4-500 people, our crew lost $3000 that night. We *still* paid EACH local DJ $200. That is OTTAWA.
Problem being, for $3000/4 16 year olds , was a bitchload of money to earn back, and for me, started a heavy gambling problem that had me juggling funds and stretching to make events work for 10 years. We were creating a top-notch DJ industry -- but paying for it out of POCKET. When things scaled back in the scene a little, around 1997, it was simply unsustainable.... DJs were offering to play for free to promoters that couldn't pay them (couldn't stand to lose more money), simply to keep events going -- and then, even when that wasn't necessary, the whole scale thing was skewed and never really came back as a standard. Of course.. I remember some nights (NYE 2000), walking away with a nice chunk of change, and when my hardcore stuff was really popular, I was probably the highest paid local DJ for that time... ($300 a set), but the reason why, for example, Max Graham didn't have to join or create a union, is because he instead became a superstar, and superstars don't have to worry about getting screwed over, they rise above it by using contracts, and being in demand, auctioning off their time, and scrutinizing potential bookees to weed out sketchy promoters. My advice is anybody that wants to take DJing seriously and be taken seriously, needs to start using proper contracts for all gigs, think about getting some representation, and focus on proper presentation, promotion and professionalism -- making sure you don't get so drunk you can't spin -- doens't make a good impression. :) LOL. And focus on out of town gigs for your bread and butter - "away" is where you're special, where you can attract big bucks, and where you'll get pampered like royalty:) my $0.02
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