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its all dependant on what shape the scene is... which in this case is bad
and recently djing turned into a trend... over the past two years of spinning and being one with the new djs... like... 90% of them gave up now... the newb number has increased threefold |
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This had been said, but aside from the practicing and time spent hunting records, DJs spend a considerable amount on music for other people to listen to.. How one can say it's simply 'benefitting from other people's work' is a little ignorant. Say you own a retail store.. all you are doing is buying someone else's products, and turning around and selling them at a higher price to turn a profit, whether or not you love the products you're selling. So by your logic, all they are doing is benefitting from someone else's work (the manufacturer). Forget the fact that there's a huge financial risk in keeping your shelves stocked with products that potentially will not get sold, forget that they have to put the time in to actually be there, and forget the fact that they have to know their product inside out to be of any use to anyone. You're right... what scam! edit: You also might want to try that line out on headliners that come into town... Yeah, a lot of them also produce their own music, but that's not what the promoter is paying them $2000 for (unless of course, they are doing a LIVE set, which we all know happens like 2% of the time). Last edited by Richard_Pyra; Apr 16, 06 at 07:34 PM. |
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Seriously, some of you should just whip out your penises and compare sizes already....
I am not all that surprised that a promoter has yet to post in here. Now with the exception of Apex, at all Swingkids shows, local DJ's are all paid $100 per hour. Regardless of how new they are. If they are deserving of a higher rate, it is negotiated in their contract and signed off on prior to the show. I truely believe that Rhia is more than worth what she had initially expected that night. I have never seen someone who works harder at promoting herself, and her dj-ing than her. She really does set the standard in this city for what you should all aspire to be. And I don't doubt for a second, that she will be seen on international rosters soon enough with the ambition she has. And to Rhia, weren't you initially paid $50? |
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When someone is asking you to provide a service to them as part of a commercial enterprise upon which they stand to make money, you should be paid. If the currency you're paid in is exposure & experience, and all is agreed to & understood ahead of time, i see no problem with that. If you are beyond the point of needing exposure or experience, the tender for payment is CASH. And if you're expecting to be paid cash, you better have a written agreement ahead of time, and a deposit doesn't hurt either.
I've learned my lesson time & again about putting my faith in people that i don't trust implicitly - it almost always bites you in the ass. Sad but true. I think a lot of us, myself included, can be afraid to turn down gigs for fear that we'll just get steamrolled out of the scene by the constant influx of 'up & comers' who are more than willing to play for free. But if promoters aren't willing to pay a few dollars for talent & experience, it's the punters who are ultimately getting short changed & if the events don't deliver the goods, they'll go elsewhere. This issue is far from exclusive to the rave/club scene, i hear this stuff from musicians & performers of all kinds. At the end of the day, i think there's a significant portion of any audience that demands quality performance - significant enough that no event promoter should be able to get over on bottom-dollar entertainers alone. When a promoter makes the decision to book someone like Rhia for example, they are not doing it as a favor to her, they're doing it because they know she's worked hard to establish herself locally and will probably be the deciding factor for a lot of friends & acquaintances who might not have come just for the headliner. In short, they're doing it to improve their bottom line so to ask for her services for free is ludicrous. |
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I'm pretty sure you'd get torn a new asshole before you even finished that comment. |
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(PS, Myles should delete this whole thread, and replace it with a sticky of what Wood said) |
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I can't say anything about bigger shows, but if you want every dj getting paid $100 an hour or even $50 an hour than you can kiss underground shows goodbye. it's not even a question of sacrificing profit it's a matter of doubling your loss.
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i would... if it was their own ineptitude that caused the loss. I'll play for free for friends who are throwing a show that's budgeted to break even. If they're trying to make money, i must be paid whether thay profit or not. |
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Basically the way I see things for myself is this. I've invested in equipment and what not for producing.... Why? Because I want to create music.... At this point am I focus'd on making top dollars..... no not really..... however if one day I end up making a few dollars here and there.... cool.... if I don't.... oh well.... At least I am having alot of fun and experimenting all at the same time. Personally I see no loss for myself since its my own little thing that I like to do and thats it. The only thing a DJ can do is play other people's music over and over again. Did they accomplish anything?....probably not....
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And yes Avana... I sighed a sheet for the $75. However when I got home I looked in the envelope and only found $50. Drove right back to the party (Attila still know where to be found) So Dennis with out question took $25 out of his own wallet and gave it to me. Quote:
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Hold on a minute... haven't you been trying to tell me to do it for the music? That I should be thrilled to play even for free, but that your paid at almost every event??? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER HAGGLED AT A PROMOTER FOR MONEY EVER!!! So far ive been ok about what I get. Like I said it depends on how the show does, what their charging, and what kind of job im doing etc. A few times ive even told promoters not to pay me because I know with the amount of ppl that came in at the price they were charging wasn't even enough. But with the money they brought in at pink I have had enough. We have such a currpt suck up system that DJ's are scared to ask for money, because if they ask for money their worried the promoter wont bother booking them. Reason why Mirika didn't play at Pink. |
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